How would you survive this scenario?
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celticfisherman
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Private Military Contractors.
They are being used in certain areas as law enforcement in the states. Several counties go in together and get deputies from them...
They are being used in certain areas as law enforcement in the states. Several counties go in together and get deputies from them...
Chili Vega
US Veteran, Absent Comrade
Really? Where? Do they maybe have prior LEO experience? I have never heard of PMC's(?) being hired as LEO's stateside. I am aware of retired LEO's being hired by various private contractors for work overseas as LEO trainers. Pray tell, where are they stateside so I can avoid the areas.
cmort666
Member
I don't care if it's Blackwater, Inc. or the Ugly Stump, Missouri PD that kicks in my front door when they shouldn't. One way or the other, whichever does it, they're going to pay as heavy a price as I (or my survivors) can extract from them, both as individuals and as an organization. I consider it a strict liability offense and you shouldn't expect any understanding or mercy from me when we go to court. From then on, it's no quarter asked, no quarter given.
Chili Vega
US Veteran, Absent Comrade
Are you aware of private contractors kicking in doors here in the states? That was the primary point of my comment. I am unaware of this happening here. I realize just because I don't know about it does not mean that it has not happened. I think the media would have a field day if this were true. I understand you feel if you believe you have done nothing wrong and the cops come to your house you are going to do what, sue them? Absolutely, take them and their agency to court.
cmort666
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My point was that I don't know and don't CARE. Police, Blackwater, the Vienna Boys Choir, it's all the same to me.
I don't know if private military contractors are doing this sort of thing domestically. I kind of doubt it, but have no direct information and never even considered the matter before seeing the post that claimed it.
Kick in my door and there will be a reckoning, and one pursued without forgiveness or compassion regardless of who the perpetrators are.
celticfisherman
Member
Guys- Sorry haven't been back to this thread.
In my area they are hiring from pools to more than one county at a time. For instance my county plus 3 others share deputies hired from a central location. Same system as nurses for instance these days. Not enough decent law enforcement.
If you remember this isn't news. Even Glenn Beck stumbled upon this a year ago or so in the upper midwest somewhere. COunties and poorer areas are having to do "creative things" to cover their areas. The TSA does this also. Port Security as well.
Quite frankly with the current level of law enforcement here I would rather have a corp with a customer service dept myself...
In my area they are hiring from pools to more than one county at a time. For instance my county plus 3 others share deputies hired from a central location. Same system as nurses for instance these days. Not enough decent law enforcement.
If you remember this isn't news. Even Glenn Beck stumbled upon this a year ago or so in the upper midwest somewhere. COunties and poorer areas are having to do "creative things" to cover their areas. The TSA does this also. Port Security as well.
Quite frankly with the current level of law enforcement here I would rather have a corp with a customer service dept myself...
617fan
US Veteran
The best way to survive this scenario is to vigorously oppose any elected officials who allow these to take place.
jtpur
Member
When I was a cop, we wore uniforms and when we did search warrants we had to have the unirform guys go in first. Today for some reason cops think they have to wear military combat gear to write a parking ticket....The black urban storm trooper uniform, complete with German style ballistic helmets, combat boots, etc.....we are no longer searching homes, we are invading them.......then when one of us gets shot we are up in arms about criminals....yet when we goof and hit the wrong house, terrorize its occupants we rarely say we are damn lucky to not get a shot gun blast to face. I have radied tons of places...I have even kicked in a door or two....but I always did it in a uniform Ray Charles would recognize as a police uniform... I did not look like a crazed storm trooper or Darth Vaders brother in law. Sorry to you active guys, I cant side with your choice of urban combat wear. and while Im at it, if your going to wear ridiculous shorts and sneakers, please dont expose your underwear which is longer than your shorts. I yearn for the day when we argued with our bosses to just let us wear Rebok shoes instead of Patten leather.....but we wore uniform pants and real police shirts with real badges, not tee shirts and cargo pants.....we actually looked like cops, not refugees from a second hand store in combat zone. So to answer the question when cops wear real uniforms we wont have to hide our guns when the crazed druggies pull off a home invasion robbery, unless they start wearing fake uniforms.
celticfisherman
Member
AMEN!!!!
All of this is why I quit subscribing to SWAT and watching so many of the TV shows. It just encourages this type of behavior.
FAIR WARNING: If you are the POLICE, have your dispatcher call this residence and we will gladly come to the door unarmed, with our hands in plain sight. If you do not call before entering this residence, we can't be responsible for the outcome -- win, lose or draw.
"Make it too tough for the enemy to get in, and you won't be able to get out." Murphy's Laws of War, #40.
Arik
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Only been 6 years.
Anyway. That exactly how no knock warrants work! In fact the dispatcher should also remind the occupants to flush away any drugs, shred any paperwork and hide firearms. Another good idea is to let the occupants know which side the cops are coming from to make sure they're ready to fire
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Ugly Stump only has one officer . . .
I was surprised to see it too, but I agree with his point. It doesn't matter to me if drugs get flushed away. I couldn't care less. The drugs are not killing ME. A no-knock entry at my residence very likely could.
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Add to above, the wearing of face coverings (ski masks) and bearded officers. Looks like a scene from a bad movie. Seems as if some departments allow their officers to emulate the appearance of special operators of the US special forces. It's like a bunch of grown-up kids playing army.
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Notwithstanding the fact that you would be ignored, when and how do you plan to issue this warning in anticipation of a no knock warrant? Call the PD once a week, big sign in your front yard, monthly classified ad in the personals section of the paper? With a regular warrant, they knock and announce and you don't answer, your door is coming in. With a no knock, you don't get the chance to save your jamb . . .
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