Can we discuss NY reload and carrying 2 revolvers?

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So, as much as I want to heed the call of carrying an auto, I find myself always coming back to my 442. I feel like it's good enough for my lifestyle. Mostly. However, I have always wanted to figure out that, what if I need more scenario. Either for an everyday carry, or for just those times that I feel like I'm going somewhere and would be comfortable with more. I know, some people say then don't go. But sometimes it's unavoidable.

When I travel I just keep a bigger gun in the center console. But obviously that's only there when I'm in the car.

So..... I've been wanting to dial in my set up for when I want more times. And not sure how to.

At present I carry my 442 with a hogue tamer grip AIWB. I used to carry 4 oclock, but I find this better. I don't have a 2nd revolver yet (that I can carry), so I'm trying to figure out which way to go with this. PLUS, I'm trying to figure out how one performs a NY reload properly. I could've swore I read an article that claimed Cirillo (the one the term NY reload has been coined from I guess) actually threw the first revolver down after using what was in the cylinder. Or was it that he had 3, and threw the first one down but kept 2 more on him. I don't know. In fact, that's a good question, what book is that, that talks about his exploits?

So, there you have it, the beginning of the discussion on NY reloads. I would like to get all of your input. I know one thing is for certain, I REALLy like AIWB for my primary spot. And I don't really want to change that.

One guy I know said he will add the 2nd at 4 oclock. That seems like a good idea.

I have been starting to look for what 2nd revolver I want. I already have a Colt DS, but it's out of time. I did find some place to get it fixed (actually a couple). But I'm not sure I want to go that route. The take down lever is the opposite of the J frame and sort of hard to work sometimes. And I'm skeptical that if I get it fixed that it will hold up to shooting a lot. Not that I shoot tons, but still......

I'm leaning towards a steel J frame in the primary spot and then making the 442 the back up gun.

I did fondle a few wheelguns at my LGS the other day. They had a 686+ 3"er, an SP101 DAO 2.25"er and Model 60 Pro series 3"er.

All of those triggers made my 442's feel like ****. Although it's smoothing out with time. I'll be honest, I almost bought that DAO SP101 a while back. It feels really right. And the trigger is really nice. I would also probably be able to handle Plus P's in that but I really don't like them in the 442. I start flinching after a few rounds. The downside is it really does look like the frame is almost un neccesarily big and bulky. Way overkill which just adds weight and bulk. It does feel very good in the hands though. I've never shot one yet.

The 60 Pro had a super nice trigger. But so did the 686. That one I think is just way to big to carry for me. I'm not a big guy. I'm not even sure I could get away with a K frame. Although it would be nice to try a 2-1/2 to 3" to see.

So.... what do you guys do for hardware and software? Does anybody ever practice throwing their first piece down? Seems like it would be hard on the gun. Is that a viable way to do it? Or is a re-holster recommended? I don't even know if there are any trainers out there teaching this or not.

I guess you could lay a blanket or towel down to minimize the damage.

Here's a pic from a Pat Rogers article I read in the last SWAT mag. Only reason I bought it is because a member on another forum I frequent wrote an article about SOPMOD guns and I wanted to read it.

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I can foresee that a cop might reasonably have a much greater need than a private citizen for a very quick reload, hence the "new York reload", the carrying of a second gun. I am unsure that for a private citizen it is worth the weight and trouble, but if it makes you feel better who am I to say otherwise?
 
Yeah, we could argue back and forth whether it's a good idea or not. If the rounds started flying, my guess is you would want more. There are 2 times traveling when I had my gun drawn. I felt much better the one time having my Beretta M9 as opposed to my Colt DS. Obviously feeling aren't what keep you protected. But there probably is something helpful about confidence. As I shoot my J frame more and practice reloading, the more confident I get. But no matter how you slice it, it's still a very small amount of rounds in the gun.

But the upside to having 2 j frames is any primary gun could go down. Murphy and all that.
 
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I think I would want to distribute the weight evenly so I would have the back up gun cross draw on the exact opposite hip location. It's still pretty easy to draw with your left hand "cavalry style" if your right hand is injured, or if you want to draw both at the same time and look really intimidating!
 
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Heck, now that I think about it, 2 airweight J frames is probably still less than my M9 loaded. Which I don't really carry much. Last time I did I got a back ache the next day. LOL.
 
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Can I ask where you carry it? What grips and holster? Bob O

FWIW, I carry 3 speed strips all the time with my 442. Back pocket (primary spot) coin pocket (used to be primary spot until I figured out the back pocket I like better) and in my front right pocket. I keep changing as to how many rounds I keep on them. I go back and forth with 4 and 5.
 
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At times I carried a .380 PPK in addition to our issue 645, and later 4506. I later found I liked a Gerber boot knife instead. I carried it, it is very sharp, and can be thrown in a last chance situation, plus it was much lighter. Now retired after 30 years of service, I carry a CS 45 with 4 loaded mags, and a SOG fast open knife. Paranoid, perhaps, but I have a good reason. I put a lot of bad guys behind bars.
 
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Unless you are engaged in some form of high-risk occupation or by necessity find yourself in an extraordinarily high crime environment, I would question any private citizen's need to carry two concealed firearms. Under normal circumstances, it is highly doubtful that the typical citizen will ever require even one concealed carry handgun - let alone two. There is a danger that one can, by over-thinking the topic, convince oneself that carrying two guns, or a bigger gun or whatever, is needed for personal safety. The best thing you can do for personal safety is go about your normal course of business while remaining under the radar and maintain normal situational awareness and don't go looking for solutions for unlikely and strictly theoretical problems.

In 13 years of law enforcement when I was paid to look for trouble and to respond to any type of incident 40+ hours a week, I never fired my gun outside the range and only maybe 5 or 6 times did I point my firearm at a bad guy. And on occasion, I worked some high crime neighborhoods. And this includes all my off-duty time just going about my private affairs. So, I would suggest putting things in perspective.
 
For me, I would carry one hicap semiauto before I'd carry 2 revolvers.
But, In your case I would suggest 2 of the same revolvers. Get another 442 or 642. Good luck.
 
I've carried 2 guns a few times. I had a 3" 65 IWB on my right hip and a 642 in my front left pocket, with a couple of speed strips with .38 ammo in them so I could reload either gun. I found it difficult because I'm one of those guys that carries a bunch of stuff in my pockets, so re-organizing everything was a challenge.

FWIW, I think the best route is to have the same manual-of-arms for both guns. I think it's also a good idea to have one of them accessible to your offhand side, i.e., if you're right-handed and carry your primary gun on your right side then your BUG should, ideally, be accessible to your left hand.

I personally like the idea of carrying two J-frames. Since I now have two 642s I may do some experimenting with it. There are some options. As I mentioned before, I've carried with one gun on my strong-side hip and my BUG on my offhand-side in my front pocket. Some other combinations I've considered, but haven't tried, include: strong-side hip and offhand-side ankle; strong-side hip and upside-down shoulder holster; offhand-side cross-draw and strong-side front pocket (this is actually the one I like the best, but as I've said, I haven't tried it, so it may suck in actual practice...*shrug*); both front pockets; and one on each hip (offhand-side either standard draw or cross-draw). My biggest concern is when my primary gun is not on my right hip, as that's the way I've been trained and have been practicing for years; I'm afraid if I did have to respond with deadly force I might go to my right hip out of habit/programming and find my gun isn't there because it's somewhere else.

However, I don't see carrying a BUG as being critically important. I think carrying a good trauma kit should have a higher priority than a BUG.
 
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The off hand pocket is an interesting choice. You would employ it with your left hand I'm assuming? Or weak hand. I'm not there yet. It would have to be at very close range for that to even be a good idea for me. I need to practice more offhand. Even 1 handed with my dominant hand.

Out of curiosity, do speedloaders work with the magnas on the 442? It's a purdy set up.




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I always have a 442 in my off hand pocket. Another J-Frame a SP101 or a Taurus 617 is AIWB. Normally it's Two J-Frames. I also carry a couple Speed Loaders.
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Only time I carried a second gun was during my LEO days, always a J frame of some sort, in a ankle rig, pocket or shoulder holster under my winter uniform coat. When we take a road trip I'll take a second J frame along just in case, along w/a 50 round box of ammo.
 
If a NY reload is two guns, what do you call three? Afghan style?

I have a friend that showed up carrying a SW 357 titanium 8 round bobbed hammer revolver, a Kahr .40 cal compact single stack, AND recently added a 2-shot derringer in 9 mm! All this in a rural area where I have NEVER heard of a theft, much less a violent crime. Seems to break a few of the rules noted above. Is this the definition of "paranoid" or are they really out to get him? Now he wants to go shooting with me. Should I be worried?
 
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