A Bridge Too Far image restoration--test.

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Well, on your picture it doesn't look to be a .45.

Can't help that, and it isn't my picture, anyway. It's from the Internet Movie Firearms Database.

But I have a few 1911s, and it sure looks like one to me...but what do I know.

Don't take my word for it. If you wish, click here, scroll down the page when you get there, and look for yourself.
 
Can't help that, and it isn't my picture, anyway. It's from the Internet Movie Firearms Database.

But I have a few 1911s, and it sure looks like one to me...but what do I know.

Don't take my word for it. If you wish, click here, scroll down the page when you get there, and look for yourself.

Caught my fare share of mistakes on the internet movie firearms database.

I compared the front end of one of my 1911 .45s along with a 9mm 1911 and the hole in the pictured gun seems closer to the 9 mm. I know that when the movie was made they still had problems with .45 acp blanks. Looking at the pictures I can't even tell if it's a 1911 or a 1911A1.
 
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It's a Colt .45, but in his hand, you aren't going to see if it's a 1911 or 1911A-1, good grief!

Churchill insisted that his newly formed Commando regiments have .45 autos as their primary sidearm, and many paratroopers, SOE, SAS and other British troops carried .45 autos in WW II. Even in WWI, a lot of .45 M-1911's got used by both British and Canadian officers, who bought their own sidearms until 1920. Churchill bought his in 1915, and it IS a .45 ACP, not the .455 auto variant. Man at Arms did a story on his pistols some years ago, with excellent photos, allowed by the present Lord Churchill. I think his guns had to go to museums after the terrible 1997 gun law passed.

I have seen a photo of the general that Connery played, but the flap on his holster was shut, so we don't know which handgun he carried. Maybe the British producers asked Gen. Urquhart or paratroopers who knew him?

But that looks like a .38 cartridge pouch above the holster. ??

Photos from the real Arnhem battle depict paratroopers carrying both a revolver and an auto pistol. The distance was such that you can't be sure if the auto was a Browning 9mm or a .45 Colt. Could easily be either.

In addition to the large number of .45's bought from Colt, we sent a lot of Lend-Lease .45's to the UK. I used to own one.

Movie studios have had problems with .45 ACP blanks. So, the gun in some scenes may be a 9mm or .38 Super Colt, but one shot of the muzzle looks as if it was a .45 at least some of the time, and it's intended to be a .45.

Star and Llama 9mm's have also subbed for Colts on TV. I think I read that in scenes where Stacy Keach actually fired Betsy, he used a Star 9mm which worked better with blanks. ("Mike Hammer")

If you look carefully at the photo of Lord Lovat in his return from the Dieppe raid, you can see the butt of his pistol well enough to see that he had a .45 auto, the most common handgun used by such special ops troops. His rifle was a personally owned Mauser-actioned sporter. I've read that he also used a Winchester M-70 and a Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine. In, "The Longest Day", Peter Lawford played Lovat with a Mannlicher on D-Day. He's shown leading his regiment ashore behind a bagpiper.

Finally, about the app. 10,000 .455 Eley caliber Colt autos bought in WW I, they went mainly to the RAF after the war, and in 1941 or '42, RAF Coastal Command had all transferred there, keeping all the guns and their obsolescent ammo in one command. Because Coastal Command rescued downed German aircrew from the Channel, they would face armed Germans and they probably wanted effective handguns.

I think it's unlikely that Maj. Gen. Urquhart had a .455 Colt. It was almost surely a normal .45 ACP. In addition to Colt pistols, Commando units used Thompson SMG's even after Stens became available. They used the same .45 ammo as the pistols. Paratroopers may have also had some Thompson then. But the only SMG photos I've seen from Arnhem showed Sten MK V's. I am not at all sure if Browning 9mm pistols reached troops by the time of the Arnhem battle. Of course, an individual paratrooper may have captured a Browning from a German. They used FN 9mm's heavily, especially among SS forces and paratroopers.

Oh: yes, Connery fired the Colt in the movie. He shot a German who saw him through the window of a Dutch house.

"A Bridge Too Far" was a superb war film, very close to the truth. My only complaint is that the planes that bombed the Germans were the wrong sort. I guess that real Typhoon or Tempest fighters simply weren't available to the producers.

For an American account of Arnhem by a paratrooper who fought there, I suggest, "The Road Past Arnhem." The author, Donald R. Burgett, wrote several books about his days with the 101st Airborne in WWII. As for his guns, he favored the Garand rifle and carried his own nickeled .45 auto and a captured P-38 9mm. He liked the M-1 because it worked well and a solid hit on a German usually meant a dead German. The .30 Carbine was weak, and the Thompson too heavy and too short-ranged.

BTW, Maj. Gen. James Gavin, commanding the 82nd Airborne Div. also favored a Garand rifle, unusually so for a general officer. Besides it and a .45, he wore a Randall Model 1 knife.
 
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There were no airworthy Typhoons, nor Tempests, when the movie was made. There still are none now. But I think there is at least one Typhoon and two Tempests under restoration.

As for the Browning Hi Power. I don't know if the Brits had them by then, but there might be some in German hands, their paratroopers used to have them.
 
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As for the Browning Hi Power. I don't know if the Brits had them by then, but there might be some in German hands, their paratroopers used to have them.

IIRC They were making them in Canada................

Knew Churchill like the .45 Tommy gun ....( insert famous picture here)...... did not know about the .45 1911s.
 
IIRC They were making them in Canada................

Knew Churchill like the .45 Tommy gun ....( insert famous picture here)...... did not know about the .45 1911s.

I know all about the Inglis, in fact it was the first hi power I ever fired, what I don't know is if they had already reach the troops involved in Market Garden. The Germans on the other hand had them sincce they invaded belgium.:rolleyes:
 
A quick update before I can start answering.

Hi Qball, ill send you the emails in a few. I just got here and have limited time this morn. Two of my images got posted on another site and i tried copying both, but neither will paste here.
 
Can't help that, and it isn't my picture, anyway. It's from the Internet Movie Firearms Database.

But I have a few 1911s, and it sure looks like one to me...but what do I know.

Don't take my word for it. If you wish, click here, scroll down the page when you get there, and look for yourself.

I have two and looks like it to me as well. Both of mine are modern but-are ones that are as close to the WWII types currently produced.
 
I too am often confronted with not being to download a picture I particularly like. I found a workaround.

If you currently have a graphics program of some sort active, you can use the "Prtscn" key (just above your backspace button). It stands for "Print Screen." It will capture whatever is on your screen. Right click the image generated, and then save it. You can save it as a .jpg file and crop it to eliminate all the non-vital garbage on the screen.

Your graphics program needs to be active for this to work, and you will need to specify which folder you want it to go into.

John
 
I too am often confronted with not being to download a picture I particularly like. I found a workaround.

If you currently have a graphics program of some sort active, you can use the "Prtscn" key (just above your backspace button). It stands for "Print Screen." It will capture whatever is on your screen. Right click the image generated, and then save it. You can save it as a .jpg file and crop it to eliminate all the non-vital garbage on the screen.

Your graphics program needs to be active for this to work, and you will need to specify which folder you want it to go into.

John

Ill have to go look and see what all it says. Usually I just try to copy there then paste here. Dunno what gets lost in between? I use the "E" browser for this site-then Firefox for the other. I wonder if that also has anything to do with this??

Just to be safe-im going to send to Qball while I try to lear the other stuff.
 
Ill have to go look and see what all it says. Usually I just try to copy there then paste here. Dunno what gets lost in between? I use the "E" browser for this site-then Firefox for the other. I wonder if that also has anything to do with this??

Just to be safe-im going to send to Qball while I try to lear the other stuff.
You can't copy and paste to another forum - it has nothing to work with - the copy and paste is all on your computer

when you copy, and save to your computer and then UPLOAD to another forum, then there is a transfer

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Gentlemen, think of it as your work, whatever you did or do for a living rather than a computer you know **** about. If you were a carpenter, it requires steps - step one, what do you need - you need the picture onto your actual computer and not in your email
step two its saved (usually right click and save as) - then next step...
 
Lee Wallace, wrote Ben Hur, was NM Territorial Gov.
 

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Lee Wallace, wrote Ben Hur, was NM Territorial Gov.

Don't quite see the significance of this to this thread. Are you trying to object to thread drift? :confused:

RW Smith-

We know the Brits had 9mm Brownings. The question here is if they had many in use at the time of the Battle of Arnhem. I think they arrived a few months late for that. Britain had Colt .45's from 1940-on.

And the British 9mm's were made by the John Inglis company in Canada. FN engineers escaped Belgium in 1940 and helped set up a production line in Canada. I think Inglis also made Bren guns. The UK didn't buy new FN pistols until the 1960's.

German - used Brownings continued to be made at the Belgian plant, which they captured. Most went to SS and paratroop units.
 
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