First time firing my 360 PD bad experience

[Well Armed]

Clueless fools always like to jump to conclusions and blame the ammo. In many cases, firearm manufacturers don't manufacture and design their firearms to handle ammo that are within SAAMI specs! The S&W 340 PD and 360 PD are prime example of firearms that aren't built to be able to shoot all ammo that's within SAAMI's 357 MAG specs. It's NOT the ammo manufacturers fault nor does it mean the ammo manufacture is loading their ammo too hot when their ammo ammo blows up a gun that's out of spec for the cartridge it's rated for.

 

[malph]

If SAAMI doesn't have specs for something, you can't be out of it. It's simple logic that's lost on you. To say BB sells ammo outside of SAAMI specs is to imply that the specifications and BB has ignored them, which is NOT the case.

SAAMI has specs for the 9mm cartridge, so if BB sells 9mm that's not within those specs, then their 9mm is out of SAAMI specs. Likewise, SAAMI has specs for the 9mm +P cartridge, so if BB sells 9mm +P that's not within those specs, then their 9mm +P is out of SAAMI specs. SAAMI has not recognized 9mm +P+ or even 45 Super cartridges, so it's impossible for any manufacturer to make ammo within specs that don't exist. Likewise, legislators have not written laws making specific action illegal, then you can not logically be acting outside of the law when performing that act.

SAAMI has specs for 9mm +P and other +P cartridges that ammo and firearm manufacturers can adhere to. 9mm and 9mm +P are completely different cartridges, each with their own specs! Like 38 Spl vs. 38 Spl +P, guns can be chambered to shoot the 9mm cartridge only, for which there are specs for, or the 9mm and the 9mm +P cartridges. SAAMI may recognize and create specs for the 9mm +P+, 45 Super, and any other cartridges they don't have specs for yet in the future, and if or when they do, then and only then can BB or any ammo manufacturers be in or out of their specs.

When you buy a gun, the manufacturer tells you what cartridge(s) the gun is rated for. If the manufacturer says the handgun is rated for 22 LR, 32 H&R, 380 ACP, 9mm, 9mm +P, 30 Super Carry, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 45 ACP, 45 ACP +P, 10mm, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 327 MAG, 44 Spl, 44 MAG, etc., then ALL OF BUFFALO BORE'S AMMO THAT'S IN THOSE AFOREMENTIONED CARTRIDGES WILL BE WITHIN SAAMI SPECS! NOT ABOVE THEM!

Every cartridge that Buffalo Bore sells that SAAMI has specs for is within SAAMI specs! Buffalo Bore is NOT selling 22lr, 32 H&R, 380 ACP, 9mm, 9mm +P, 30 Super Carry, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 45 ACP, 45 ACP +P, 10mm, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 327 MAG, 44 Spl, 44 MAG, and so on and so forth that are out of SAAMI specs, like so many uneducated clueless internet "experts" keep accusing them of doing!

I understand your perspective. I understand it's not illegal. I still don't agree with the practice.

 

[Well Armed]

I understand your perspective. I understand it's not illegal. I still don't agree with the practice.

So no company should be able to make offer any cartridge that some consumers want unless one organization, e.i., SAAMI, unilaterally decides to recognize the cartridge and create specs for it? I personally like 45 Super. There's no SAAMI spec for it yet. There are guns and conversion kits that can handle the cartridge. You don't agree that BB and other manufacturers should be allowed to sell that ammo not I should be allowed to buy it?

HK rates their USP for use with 9mm +P+. You don't agree that Buffalo Bore should be able to sell it to those who want to shoot the +P+ cartridge out of a gun that's rated and built to be able to handle it?

HK rates USP and Springfield Arms rates their XDM for use with 45 Super out the box. Their guns are built to handle it. There are 1911s that are built to handle 45 Super as well. You don't agree with selling this cartridge to those who typically want to carry it for hunting purposes in guns that are rated for it because SAAMI hasn't created standards yet?

You disagree with the selling of 460 Rowland as no SAAMI specs exist?

What if SAAMI removes their existing specs for 38Spl +P, 9mm +P, and 45 ACP +P, then will you be against and will no longer agree with any ammo manufacturers selling those cartridges?

380 +P, 9mm +P+, 45 Super, 460 Rowland, etc. are all different and distinct cartridges. People should only buy and shoot ammo that their specific firearm is rated for. Some firearms can handle and are rated for the aforementioned cartridges (just like some revolvers are rated for 38 +P), so I don't understand why anyone would disagree with the selling of the ammo.

 

[Joe4d]

I just want to know what Smith and Wesson said

 

[Lance Boyle]

"You're a better man than me Gunga Din."
Old 357 shooter here. Have fired thousands in K, L and N's,
Some in Colts and Rugers.
A few of the Sissy Boy regular brands in J's.
60, 640 and 649. Didn't enjoy it, will only do it again if circumstances absolutely require me to.

I don't own a snub gun (yet) but if I did I'd be quite content with .38 special and probably stainless steel.

 

[JMD999]

I didn't realize BB had a warning like that. I like their .38+P rounds which approach other's .357 power

Where is the "warning" in this text? What am I missing?
Here is Buffalo Bore's warning on their website regarding your particular load.

BUFFALO-BARNES LEAD-FREE 357 Mag Low Flash-Short Barrel Pistol & Handgun Ammunition

BUFFALO-BARNES LEAD-FREE 357 Mag Low Flash-Short Barrel Field Proven pistol and handgun ammo. Maximum firepower bullets. Best ammunition for pistols and handguns for sale. Buffalo Bore. Strictly big bore. Strictly Business.
But I did find this warning: (which makes more sense)
"This load is the typical barn-burning, turbocharged, Buffalo Bore type HEAVY 357 Mag. load and as such, should only be used in revolvers made of all steel. It should not be fired in a lightweight, alloy framed or cylindered revolver. Feel free to use it in ANY/ALL 357 mag. chambered rifles and all steel revolvers/handguns."

 

[Lance Boyle]

They are indeed brutal.

I think a .32 H&R version that they make now is about the right balance for the weight. certainly not a .327 Federal cartridge.