5 shot snub & recent MD shooting

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Don't people realize AR's, and shotguns turn bad guys into superman.

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I'm just an armchair pistolero never shot anybody never was shot at. If I'm trapped in a room and somebody's coming after me with a shotgun my little five shot in my pocket is going to be used to the best that I could use it even when I'm crapping my pants. I don't intend to carry anything bigger or holding more rounds I carry to J frames that's it.
 
Maryland may be legally "Shall" issue, but the reality is Maryland is "we may issue, but probably not, like 99.9% not.

If you carry lots of taxable cash, they might let you protect that.

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tlawler said:
Maryland is a "shall issue" state, albeit with slightly more restrictive laws than say, Florida. So there's really no excuse that absolutely no one was armed except that journalists are mainly flaming liberals who all think that only police and military should be armed.
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"Slightly" more restrictive?????
MD is a shall issue state where you need to show a specific documented cause for them to even consider issuing a permit, Maryland calls it "good and substantial reason".
There are about 17000 permit holders in a state of 6 million residents. (roughly 0.4% of the population).
Florida has 1.8 million permit holders with a population of about 20 million. (roughly 10% of the population).
The vast majority of those 17000 Maryland permits are restricted to specific places and times the permit holder can carry such as to and from the bank or a business, or after your life has specifically been threatened.
My point is, FL and MD have absolutely nothing in common as far as the issuance of permits goes. I know what I'm talking about here because I work in and live on the border of MD, I currently have a PA permit, a FL permit and I have applied for a MD permit which was returned (denied) because I didn't meet the "good and substantial reason" clause.

In practice, one stands a better chance of getting a permit in New York or CA than they do in MD.
 
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When you go up against a shotgun with a handgun, the number of rounds you have doesn't matter for squat. You best make your mark real quick, because if he gets his muzzle on you and pulls the trigger it won't matter how many rounds your gun is holding at that point. If you don't put him down with 5, 19 isn't going to make much difference if he is moving on you. End of story.
 
A 5 shot snub is about the best thing to carry in Maryland because of the need for DEEP DEEP concealment. Nearly impossible to get a concealed carry permit in that state. Lived there for a long time. Worked for the State of MD briefly. Glad to be in North Carolina now.
 
If a shooter has a shotgun and I only have a 5 shot revolver I am not going to be wishing I had something bigger. If I can get a shot at the shooter while he is reloading you can bet I am going do my best to end his shooting anymore people not to mention myself. Like they say shot placement is everything and it is especially true in this case. You better make each shot be a stopper.
 
Against an active-shooter, I'm going to escape if possible. If not an option, I'd be looking to ambush the shooter at close-range and I would actually prefer a snub in that scenario. I just don't see engaging like you're running an IDPA course being realistic or a good tactic even if it was.
 
not pointed at anyone in particular but am I the only one who has issue with the term "EDC"? Speaking for myself, I have three guns that I alternately carry depending on my plans for that day or my mood, on many days I don't even carry so EDC doesn't really even apply. I do have a snubby that gets carried quite a bit but to call it an EDC would be wrong as I also have an LCP and a Glock that sometimes get carried.
 
fredj338 said:
Really? So if you had a choice you would go 5 shot snub vs a 12ga?
... Incidents like this should give all of us that ccw pause & evaluate what & how we carry & how much training, practice & what our skill level is. This was not a punk mugger but stone cold killer. I doubt he would have been chased off by a couple rounds coming his way. He had a purpose & was going to go thru with it. These are the 1% predators that require a more serious approach to EDC imo. yes small %, but not to the 5 dead.
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Fred, IMHO, a 38 snub would be a more than adequate response to a long arm, provided that the user is proficient. Do you practice much beyond the mythical 7 yard zone of engagement in the typical SD scenario? How far have you stretched a shot with your chosen SD arm? I tend to shoot NRA 2700 with a wheel gun and a 1911, and I have shot my snub at 25 and 50 yards. I can hit my target with it. I have also engaged life-size metallic silhouette targets out to 220 yards.

In my opinion, in a gunfight there is only one rule, have a gun! A gunfight is not a civil, social affair but a quest for survival. Because of that, I would engage a long arm equipped shooter with a snub nose revolver if that is all I had. I would rather die fighting than being slaughtered like a lamb!
 
I think when that guy stopped to reload I would be ramming my Kershaw Blur into his guts for all I was worth. I don't carry a gun, but I'm not unarmed, either.
 
Over 18% of the of population able to acquire a CCL in the Illinois county I live in have one .. My county is in the top ten in CCL"s in Illinois and the county just north has a slightly higher percentage .. so you never know who might be the one carrying .. and just under a quarter of them are women !!..
 
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fredj338 said:
Title pretty much says it. In that scenario, 12ga against your 5 shot snub. Would you want something else for your EDC?
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A WELL PLACED SHOT OR 2, WOULD HAVE PUT THAT GUY AWAY---EVEN FROM A SNUB ! ! !

WHATEVER YOU CARRY, GET TRAINED AND PRACTICE WITH IT, UNTIL YOU CAN USE IT EFFECTIVELY.....

MASSAD AYOOB CARRIES A 5 SHOT J-FRAME. I'M CERTAIN THAT MAS, OR ANOTHER WELL TRAINED PERSON, COULD HAVE PUT THIS BAD GUY AWAY, IF HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A SHOT......

A BIGGER GUN WON'T HELP YOU, IF YOU CAN'T HIT SQUAT WITH IT ! ! !
 
one eye joe said:
A WELL PLACED SHOT OR 2, WOULD HAVE PUT THAT GUY AWAY---EVEN FROM A SNUB ! ! !

WHATEVER YOU CARRY, GET TRAINED AND PRACTICE WITH IT, UNTIL YOU CAN USE IT EFFECTIVELY.....

MASSAD AYOOB CARRIES A 5 SHOT J-FRAME. I'M CERTAIN THAT MAS, OR ANOTHER WELL TRAINED PERSON, COULD HAVE PUT THIS BAD GUY AWAY, IF HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A SHOT......

A BIGGER GUN WON'T HELP YOU, IF YOU CAN'T HIT SQUAT WITH IT ! ! !
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What if you needed to use 4 or 5 shots for cover fire to pin him down and stop the killing before being able to get a kill shot ?? just a couple of shots near him could possible stop him shooting but where you don't have a clear shot ..

No one in any discussion on this forum that I've read have ever said anything about cover shots to pin a shooter down before being able to get into a position for a kill shot .. That was brought up by the deputy sheriff who taught my CCL class .. as was shooting off the pavement under a car to hit a perp in the legs ..

That's one reason I like a auto with a larger mag which carries more then 5 or 6 shots !!

My Beretta PX-4 Sub Compact with 13+1 I believe is a better weapon for that situation !! as would any auto with 10 or more in the mag ..
 
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Cover fire??? What are you thinking? The guy has a shotgun. If he doesn't take cover and swings on you instead they are going to be covering you with dirt. Your advocating cover fire in an building occupied by other innocents. Looks good in the movies. Works in a military ambush (suppressive).

Guy in a building hunting people with a shotgun. When you get your chance you best not just blaze away in his direction and get him to focused on you or your location. Best make him dead ASAP. Make it count. Isn't a movie. Firepower is fine. Accuracy is FINAL. Your committing to shoot near him, I would commit to shooting in him.

I am not saying capacity is a bad thing. I am saying making it count is a better thing.
 
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It is situations like this why I would choose to carry a .357 Magnum snub nose revolver over a .32/.327 Magnum or .38 Special. While the recoil is somewhat higher, when limited to only five rounds, I believe that having the most available velocity and energy is critical.

For example, in the scenario mentioned, if one must take a shot at an active shooter as he reloads as shotgun, I suppose that one or two center mass shots with a 125 grain .357 Magnum hollow point would stop the threat more quickly and perhaps negate the capacity issue. Of course this is all speculation, but it makes for fun discussion.
 
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Do not worry the 5 shot stubby would have saved you and stopped the perp dead.
 
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