5 shot snub & recent MD shooting

[Mack_C85]

I think when that guy stopped to reload I would be ramming my Kershaw Blur into his guts for all I was worth. I don't carry a gun, but I'm not unarmed, either.

While not illegal, and I agree with you completely, remember we are talking about Marylandistan, where most businesses will be screaming like a recalcitrant three year old if they found out you were carrying a Boy Scout knife.

Full Disclosure - my better half was one of the several hundred responders to this incident. She volunteers on the County's Mobile Command and Communications unit and also the rehab unit. She was on location maintaining the IT operations of the MCCU. The Rehab unit was also on location taking care of the hundreds of personnel on location, they provide drinks, food, snacks, and cooling tents during the summer heat. Several local restaurants showed up with food and the left contacts with "what ever you need, call us" instructions. Annapolis Strong!

Also, Thursday was Induction Day at the Naval Academy, so local LE was geared up for the traffic issues that some ~1500 new students and their families bring with them.

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[BAM-BAM]

90 degrees and the 4th of July is just a few days away.......ya would love to have my Shorty-9 with 12+1 or even my 3913 with 7+1 and.... spare magazine(s)......

but the reality is with cargo shorts and a tucked in Polo shirt........


my only viable choices for pocket carry..... will be my Smith 337 PD with 5 .38s, at 12 oz; or my Colt Mustang pocket-lite .380

 

[TomkinsSP]

Hard to CCW an MG 34.

One guy. 5 rounds, how does having 6, 7, 10, 19 improve your odds?

not pointed at anyone in particular but am I the only one who has issue with the term "EDC"? Speaking for myself, I have three guns that I alternately carry depending on my plans for that day or my mood, on many days I don't even carry so EDC doesn't really even apply. I do have a snubby that gets carried quite a bit but to call it an EDC would be wrong as I also have an LCP and a Glock that sometimes get carried.

I imagine a lot of folks EDC thier "favorite" (the one that works in 95 percent of all cases). JMO habits are good, ALWAYS leave home with it.

 

[fatcat3]

Title pretty much says it. In that scenario, 12ga against your 5 shot snub. Would you want something else for your EDC?

YES! 2 12g shotguns and 4 AK47s with 5 more people to use em. but as i cant carry that much weight ill just stick with my 2 shooter or my j frame. if faced with a shotgun would you rather have something else than a 7,10,15,18, round what ever handgun?

 

[Triggernosis]

Against an active-shooter, I'm going to escape if possible. If not an option, I'd be looking to ambush the shooter at close-range and I would actually prefer a snub in that scenario. I just don't see engaging like you're running an IDPA course being realistic or a good tactic even if it was.

Unfortunately so many (the majority) of defensive pistol classes teach that run-and-gun mindset these dsys. Very few teach a person what to do when they are pushing their shopping cart to their car and a thug steps out with intentions to rob them or other scenarios like that.
The simple stuff doesn't sell classes....teaching people how to be wannabe commandos does sell.

 

[steelslaver]

Everyone has a top pick for thier carry gun. Each has thier reasons and for the most part thier reasons are valid. What is most important is you have it on you, it's accessable, secrure and your good with it.
I chose a 325 snub with 200gr golddots. I have my reasons and I believe in them and it.

 

[Doug M.]

To me, a J frame is a BUG only - but I have carried one as sole armament under specific circumstances. It's better than strong words and hope. My EDC is a Glock 33 and a spare magazine; that choice is a direct result of my environment and the tradeoffs inherent. However, as a cop, that was my BUG; I carried at various times a 1911 with 4 spare mages, and a G21 with 3, plus the car had a shotgun and an AR.

A pistol what you carry if you don't have reason to expect a problem - if you expect a problem and can't be elsewhere and are not taking a long gun, you are not very smart. If my office had better walls, I would have an AR in a rack.

 

[badge 851]

I have an S&W® BG-38 that I have been carrying EVERY DAY since 11/2014. Thus it is my EDC. (I have no problem with the term "EDC").

 

[steelslaver]

Hard to conceal carry a M2 or even a SAW. Aircraft carriers are so expensive.if I knew a gun fight was coming, I would go with cocentina wire, lots of AR plate and claymores out in front of my mortors, artilary and heavy machine guns and keep my A10s and gunships fueled and loaded a bit to the rear. Lol

 

[500SNW]

Title pretty much says it. In that scenario, 12ga against your 5 shot snub. Would you want something else for your EDC?

It is not a 5-shot snub versus a 12 gauge. It is you versus the shooter.

 

[Doug M.]

Unless one practices a LOT, the ergonomics of the snubby are against you. The snubby is capable of about the same mechanical accuracy as any other quality revolver, but it has tiny sights, is harder to hold on to, has less weight to provide resistance against the more difficult trigger pull, and all that is fighting you while your performance is degraded by stress.

My mini-glock sucks less than a snubby, but is not near as good as a full size pistol. As a rule, if I leave the immediate area of the city in which I live, where I know where I am going and can plan escapes more easily, I carry a full size Glock. Either way, I also carry a spare mag and have at least one heavier caliber handgun in my bugout bag. Having had a couple of negative interactions with gang members I've prosecuted and others of like mind, I like to have options.

 

[ParadiseRoad]

...a lot of people...hopefully perps included...don't seem to realize a shotgun can be easily topped off between shots...

...a well operated shotgun should never go dry...

 

[smithman 10]

5 shot snubby better than nothing

We may never know if the shooter actually paused to reload so the question likely never will be answered as to whether a j-frame would have worked.

I lean toward the idea that the person who wrote that tweet heard the shooter racking the slide, so whipping out one's Chief's Special might have been the wrong move.

I'm retired some years now, but this incident interests me greatly as I worked for decades for a group of community newspapers. Near the end of my time with them we were bought by a large holding company and weapons were forbidden by policy, even one in your car in the parking lot.

Not sure what the compliance rate was but I do know it was not 100%.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Really? So if you had a choice you would go 5 shot snub vs a 12ga?
I am mostly playing devil's advocate. A pistol vs long gun is tough to start with. Then a less than optimum pistol at that. I know, have a gun, but nothing wrong with a "better" gun for these small % chance encounters.
Incidents like this should give all of us that ccw pause & evaluate what & how we carry & how much training, practice & what our skill level is. This was not a punk mugger but stone cold killer. I doubt he would have been chased off by a couple rounds coming his way. He had a purpose & was going to go thru with it. These are the 1% predators that require a more serious approach to EDC imo. yes small %, but not to the 5 dead.

Had "those couple of rounds coming his way" WENT INTO HIS BRISKET Problem solved.

 

[Mack_C85]

...a lot of people...hopefully perps included...don't seem to realize a shotgun can be easily topped off between shots...

...a well operated shotgun should never go dry...

......and try to convince the Fed Wildlife Agent standing outside your pit......that your gun really does have the plug in it....[emoji38]

Yeap, been there, done that.

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[hostler]

I imagine a lot of folks EDC thier "favorite" (the one that works in 95 percent of all cases). JMO habits are good, ALWAYS leave home with it.

I agree with you, unfortunately as I stated earlier, I live on the border of MD and I work in MD so ALWAYS having it is illegal for me.

 

[hostler]

We may never know if the shooter actually paused to reload so the question likely never will be answered as to whether a j-frame would have worked.

I lean toward the idea that the person who wrote that tweet heard the shooter racking the slide, so whipping out one's Chief's Special might have been the wrong move.

I'm retired some years now, but this incident interests me greatly as I worked for decades for a group of community newspapers. Near the end of my time with them we were bought by a large holding company and weapons were forbidden by policy, even one in your car in the parking lot.

Not sure what the compliance rate was but I do know it was not 100%.

The company I work for has a "no firearms" policy for employees. I also work in a state that doesn't allow me to carry.
The company policy I would disobey because jobs are easy come easy go, the state law is a felony, that's not as easy come easy go.

 

[one eye joe]

The company I work for has a "no firearms" policy for employees. I also work in a state that doesn't allow me to carry.
The company policy I would disobey because jobs are easy come easy go, the state law is a felony, that's not as easy come easy go.

HOW EASY COME EASY GO IS HUMAN LIFE---IN THIS INSTANCE, YOURS ? ? ?

 

[jframejoey]

Israeli Sky Marshal Mordechai Rachamim used a single stack .22 lr Beetta Cheetah to engage 3 terrorist armed with full auto long guns killing one of them. I'm sure he would've been better suited with a full size duty/combat pistol but he used what the bosses gave him. Could the shooter have kept going after getting hit 1 to 5 times yes, hopefully not but we'll never know.

 

[Wise_A]

The only thing more ghoulish and gruesome than listening to Andrew Cuomo blame the NRA for this tragedy, is listening to people that ought to know better argue over how the victims could have stopped it.