fredj338
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Title pretty much says it. In that scenario, 12ga against your 5 shot snub. Would you want something else for your EDC?
5 shot snub & recent MD shooting
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“There is nothing more terrifying than hearing multiple people get shot while you’re under your desk and then hear the gunman reload.”
After reading this, I had two thoughts: Firstly, if you can hear he is reloading, why aren't you doing something to prevent him from shooting again and, secondly, If you have the 5 shot snubby, you would have a decent answer to question number one.
After reading this, I had two thoughts: Firstly, if you can hear he is reloading, why aren't you doing something to prevent him from shooting again and, secondly, If you have the 5 shot snubby, you would have a decent answer to question number one.
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Media reports state the murderer blocked newspaper staff from fleeing by blocking exit doors. I have no insight as to the security policies of the newspaper building, but I suspect this is yet another example of a protection system failure (if they even bothered developing one) and "gun free zone" shooting.
If he was expecting armed opposition (even with only 5 rounds of .38 Special) he might have left himself an escape route, or not tried anything at all.
If he was expecting armed opposition (even with only 5 rounds of .38 Special) he might have left himself an escape route, or not tried anything at all.
washerman
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That 5 shot snub is just as deadly as that 12 gauge
First rule of a gunfight. HAVE A GUN. Doesn't matter which as long as You use it properly.
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fredj338
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Really? So if you had a choice you would go 5 shot snub vs a 12ga?
I am mostly playing devil's advocate. A pistol vs long gun is tough to start with. Then a less than optimum pistol at that. I know, have a gun, but nothing wrong with a "better" gun for these small % chance encounters.
Incidents like this should give all of us that ccw pause & evaluate what & how we carry & how much training, practice & what our skill level is. This was not a punk mugger but stone cold killer. I doubt he would have been chased off by a couple rounds coming his way. He had a purpose & was going to go thru with it. These are the 1% predators that require a more serious approach to EDC imo. yes small %, but not to the 5 dead.
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Beats a stapler or toner cartridge...or listening to the shooter reload and hoping you are not the next victim.
Knowing I was up against a man with a shotgun, my preference would be an M-60 with a very long belt. Being as that is not practical, I would use whatever I had, be it a 5-shot snubby, G17, or single-shot derringer. Your other option is to die without a fight.
GF
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I carried a Model 60 for a lot of years. In the last several years I have put it up and now either carry a Glock 19 or a Beretta Nano.
I think the point you're trying to make is a 5 shot revolver is less than optimum in a gunfight.
That may or may not be true, but as other posters have said the main thing in a gunfight is to have a gun.
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I think the point you're trying to make is a 5 shot revolver is less than optimum in a gunfight.
That may or may not be true, but as other posters have said the main thing in a gunfight is to have a gun.
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Personally I'd want a battalion of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, A10 close air support some tanks and whatever else I could get. In the absence of that because of daily life I carry a J frame. Hope if bad stuff ever comes my way I have the skill and fortitude to stop it. If a J frame isnt enough a Glock 19 w extra mags might not be enough either. Thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families.
A 5 shot J-frame in my pocket trumps the 29-2 in the presentation box in my safe nearly every time. Depending on circumstances I may have a Shield or a 1911. But that old J-frame is better than reaching in your pocket and pulling out lint.
Mindset, judgment and tactics are always more important than marksmanship and firearm. That said, while I rarely carry my Model 37, my tactic would be to close the distance to within 15 yards and attempt to deliver an accurate kill shot. With an active shooter, no verbal warning is necessary. You need to execute or profoundly disable him, not engage him in a gun battle.
And yes, you first need to ascertain whether or not the shooter is wearing armor or at least appears over-dressed for the season. You can't afford to shoot into a vest.
Most people would not have the presence of mind, unless they have been trained, to use a reloading interval as an opportunity to attack the gunman. If he has an autoloading pistol and has some training, well, he can reload in a heartbeat.
And yes, you first need to ascertain whether or not the shooter is wearing armor or at least appears over-dressed for the season. You can't afford to shoot into a vest.
Most people would not have the presence of mind, unless they have been trained, to use a reloading interval as an opportunity to attack the gunman. If he has an autoloading pistol and has some training, well, he can reload in a heartbeat.
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This...all day everyday.
Of course no one would choose to go up against a pump shotgun with a Chiefs Special, but put in a situation where that choice is made on your behalf by some murderous miscreant, I’d damn sure make the most of it.
Inusuit
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I put my job at risk by carrying a Kahr .380 to work every day before I retired.
Bohica nailed it. I would rather die fighting than under my desk pleading for my life.
Sure, I would have preferred my 1911, but my situation demanded deep concealment or unemployment. And thank the Lord, I never needed the .380.
Bohica nailed it. I would rather die fighting than under my desk pleading for my life.
Sure, I would have preferred my 1911, but my situation demanded deep concealment or unemployment. And thank the Lord, I never needed the .380.
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So if the bad guy has a bigger gun than you then you are going to just hide under a desk and wait till you get shot? Even though you have a lethal revolver in your pocket? Sure can't follow that logic. Think I'd be inclined to cock the hammer on my 638 and aim between is eyes on the first shot at least.
Somebody help me out here. Did someone in the newsroom actually have a snubby? Or is this just more revolver hate. News flash. You're at a huge disadvantage when it's long gun vs short gun. I don't care if the short one's a Glock 17 with a 50rd drum.
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A Chief's Special in the hand or on your person is much more valuable than any other gun that you left at home, in your car, or locked in a drawer.
I subscribe to the Ed Lovette thinking of a J-frame is something you'll like take everywhere with you and thus be armed. It needs to be learned and mastered though. I think a well trained and practiced man with a Chief's Special and a will to survive is more than a match for a ******* with a shotgun.
I subscribe to the Ed Lovette thinking of a J-frame is something you'll like take everywhere with you and thus be armed. It needs to be learned and mastered though. I think a well trained and practiced man with a Chief's Special and a will to survive is more than a match for a ******* with a shotgun.
What would you recommend?
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