The Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

[max503]

No what disturbs me is gun owners that think their gun gives them a certain position of authority. So ask yourself, would I get involved with this if I wasnt carrying a gun? If your answer is no, then don't. Zimmerman was a total moron. He put himself into a situation where he would not have if unarmed. i dont see much diff in this current mess. Sure Zimmerman was justified in defending himself, but placed himself in that confrontation. Not inlike this current bs.
Flip it around. If it was a white guy in a black neighborhood doing exactly the same thing & two blacks pulled up with guns & the white guy got killed, pretty sure a totally diff story line. Pretty sure it wouldnt have taken more than a few days to indite them. How people cant see this is disturbing to me but I really am not surprised.

My CC instructor, a very knowledgeable career state cop, pounded into our heads, "Don't go anywhere with a gun that you wouldn't go without a gun."

 

[roo_ster]

Meh, the mainstream media RKBA/middle-class/white hating story is undergoing Narrative Collapse.

Why do people fall for this, again and again? Instead of waiting a bit and then watching the fiction crumble around the Usual Suspects:
"They ran him down and killed him for being black for no good reason!"

The drip, drip, drip of data dissolves the cotton candy concocted story and the initial goof balls who believed the Usual Suspects are left looking gullible.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Apparently not. Did you have something to contribute or just upping your post count?

I already have. Where were you? Not smart enough to know when to give it up?

 

[blues7]

Why not take the personal b.s. offline rather than get the thread closed because we could not have differences of opinion while maintaining civil discourse?

 

[Ziggy2525]

Why not take the personal b.s. offline rather than get the thread closed because we could not have differences of opinion while maintaining civil discourse?

There's no BS. It's bizarre when people decide they're done with a thread, but instead of just ignoring the thread because they're done with it, come back in and post about "why are we still posting in this thread?" That's odd behavior.

 

[blues7]

There's no BS. It's bizarre when people decide they're done with a thread, but instead of just ignoring the thread because they're done with it, come back in and post about "why are we still posting in this thread?" That's odd behavior.

I wouldn't call it "bizarre" or even "odd" judging by the event that precipitated this thread and the ensuing discussion, and / or what an LEO might routinely see on any given day.

 

[vt_shooter]

Aside from a few disagreements in this thread, it's been a valuable thread because no doubt it has caused a number of people to rethink when and how they might get involved in something when they have a gun with them. Perhaps the elder Mr. McMichaels would have benefited from reading a thread just like this, had it existed prior to his incident. My takeaway from the thread reinforced the notion that if I have a gun with me, it's only coming out if my life or a family member's life is in jeopardy, otherwise I'm not taking the risk of something unexpected happening that could ruin my life, my family's finances, or perhaps even a third party who was innocent. Good thread, lots of good posts, thanks to all who contributed.

 

[ColbyBruce]

It is a fact; situations involving POC’s are not approached the same way as if the person in question were white.

These two dip poops unnecessarily took a human life. They do not need to walk away from this unscathed.

 

[fredj338]

You’re totally wrong. It’s that simple. The reason reason “we all” think Z was the victim of a deadly force attack by Martin is because Z was the victim of a deadly force attack by Martin.

Just because you don’t like how he presents himself doesn’t take away his right to defend himself.

I am not wrong. Again, what crime, up until Martin confronted Zim, after being pursued thru the priject, did Martin commit? No crime, zero, if you press a person, he assaults you & you shoot him, that mat be sd, but you caused it. I dont even honk my horm when I carry. Dont bring guns to a fist fight, pretty ******* simple.

 

[kbm6893]

I am not wrong. Again, what crime, up until Martin confronted Zim, after being pursued thru the priject, did Martin commit? No crime, zero, if you press a person, he assaults you & you shoot him, that mat be sd, but you caused it. I dont even honk my horm when I carry. Dont bring guns to a fist fight, pretty ******* simple.

Following somebody acting suspiciously to report their location to the police is not pursuing. I call it being a good citizen. I’d be mighty happy if somebody did it in my neighborhood. The Neighborhood Watch that Zimmerman was a member of was formed because of break ins happening there. Zimmerman noticed Martin because he was walking in the rain and looking in windows. Then he followed him to report the location to cops because the last time he called by the time the cops showed up 20 minutes later the guy was gone.

So what crime did Zimmerman commit before being feloniously assaulted by Martin?

Don’t honk your horn while carrying? Ridiculous. Tooting a horn is way different than jumping out of a truck with a shotgun.

 

[bulletslap]

Some one good with their fists or feet can kill you just as dead as with a knife or a gun.

And the notion that the short obese Zimmer pursued a young fit Martin is insane.

 

[steelslaver]

The actual legality of some of these incidences has got little to do with it. You can debate it all you want, but, its don't really matter that much.

Hasn't anyone ever noticed that current social pressures effect who gets charged and even who gets convicted and for what they get convicted of?

Its actually quite simple, you need to think, and it doesn't matter if your carrying a gun or not. Carrying a gun may give a better chance of survival, but if your stupid you might end up surviving in prison.

It would have been perfectly legal for me, Joe Whiteboy, to go for a jog in Roddy Kings neighborhood after the police acquittal. It would also have been really stupid.

Same thing applies today in lots of areas and in some of them I could "legally" carry a gun and "legally" defend myself with it. Neither of those "legallys" might do me much good if I shoot an unarmed man. Wind isn't blowing that way and only an idiot doesn't know that. In some cases the shooting may well be legally and morally justifiable. But, because of history it is going to get a poor viewing though public lenses. Anyone with any functioning brain cells, that can read, watch TV, turn on a radio or a computer should know that even a LEO evolved in the shooting of an unarmed person is going to get racked over the coals. What kind of nit wit would purposely put their self anywhere near such a situation?

Like I said "The social pitchforks are out and at the ready".

Do stupid stuff win stupid prizes.

 

[Drm50]

This is simple case. It doesn’t matter that victim is not the choir boy the media promotes. He could have be scouting for places to steal but that isn’t grounds for guns to come out. I wasn’t a case for deadly force from any angle.

 

[686-380]

Our justice system is based upon perception. It seems lots of things in this reality are. IMO, there is only one winner here, the media. It doesn't matter what I perceive, as far as good/bad/evil intentions of our source of news/entertainment.

My only concrete take away from the reports is that a young, promising life was cut short. Two, possibly well-intentioned, possibly not individuals made a HUGE mistake. It seems an inordinately long time to bring charges against the shooter and his father.

I grow so weary of media spin. They'll produce whatever stories will get them eyeballs, in the constant struggle for ratings/revenue. A necessary evil, I suppose. It's better than no news sources.

 

[fredj338]

Following somebody acting suspiciously to report their location to the police is not pursuing. I call it being a good citizen. I’d be mighty happy if somebody did it in my neighborhood. The Neighborhood Watch that Zimmerman was a member of was formed because of break ins happening there. Zimmerman noticed Martin because he was walking in the rain and looking in windows. Then he followed him to report the location to cops because the last time he called by the time the cops showed up 20 minutes later the guy was gone.

So what crime did Zimmerman commit before being feloniously assaulted by Martin?

Don’t honk your horn while carrying? Ridiculous. Tooting a horn is way different than jumping out of a truck with a shotgun.

Never said zim commited a crime. I said his shooting was justified, but he set the stage by continuing his pursuit. Imo, no diff because I can almost gaurantee zim never follows martin without his gun. Same with Aubry situation. You dont pursue people with a gun, ccw or not, then claim SD when attacked with open hands.
We see many intances of such stupid behavior by ccw. Yes I do not honk my horn when carrying. Why, road rage is a serious issue & not being painted as an aggresor goes a long way to your defense if something does go sideways. When armed, you really should try to avoid trouble, not go looking for it. Then when you find it, shoot the unarmed attacker because you couldnt handle your poop. There are really two scenarios when someone follows in an aggresive fashion then approaches you; run or fight. Dont be surprised when you get the fight.

 

[fredj338]

Some one good with their fists or feet can kill you just as dead as with a knife or a gun.

And the notion that the short obese Zimmer pursued a young fit Martin is insane.

Really? Short & fat with a gun beats young & fit without. Zimmerman, like these clowns went looking for a fight & wants to claim stand your ground or SD when they caused the event? Pretty simple to see, but many are color blind, literally. Dont take a gun to a fist fight or even verbal argument.

 

[Ziggy2525]

For me, the big lesson out of Zimmerman was you can be 100% justified plus found not guilty, but still have your life ruined and lose everything

If the McMichael family had considered that, they might have decided the stuff in Larry English’s under construction home wasn’t worth the cost.

 

[bulletslap]

Maybe Mr Ayoob will comment ?

Here is a good synopsis of the Zimmerman/Martin case.

Perspectives on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin shooting - Backwoods Home Magazine

In my opinion the same activist/media/SJW forces are at work in the Arbery case, my opinion may change based up more factual information.

 

[LPD256]

Just read an interesting article about a Tulsa Police shooting. Officer was exonerated but still had to move out of town. Her attorney fees were $411000. The union had insurance for such things. Do you?

I’m guessing McMichaels don’t either. I have some coverage. Hope to not need it.

 

[LPD256]

More evidence surfacing daily. Arbery was videotaped and chased by two vehicles in multiple directions on several streets for 4 minutes trying to get away and avoid the confrontation that occurred. The chasers has to do u-turns to even continue chasing. I guess it was clear that they wouldn’t stop. A little more perspective into Arbery’s thought process. I’m wondering how exhausted he was when he finally tried to end it.