40S&W Ammo To Become Obsolete
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S&W, Glock still offers new guns in.40, I own 3 and would like to add another.
For years ammo prices have been biased towards 9mm so maybe ammo manufactures would prefer less options but that would require a concerted effort by all to kill the .40
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For years ammo prices have been biased towards 9mm so maybe ammo manufactures would prefer less options but that would require a concerted effort by all to kill the .40
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Cal44
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That must be why 32 S&W long didn't make the list of soon to be obsolete.
BTW, the nearby Sportsman's Warehouse has only two handgun calibers in stock continuously for the last month -- 32 S&W long and 32 H&R magnum. Only about 4 boxes of each. The rest of the shelves are stripped bare.
Well I still shoot 0.41 Special and Magnum. Starline will sell you 0.41 Special cases and I have "fun" when people cannot work out what I am shooting. Dave_n
40S&W Ammo To Become Obsolete
By that logic .380 acp would be cheaper than 9mm but that's not the case.
During the Obama years there were stories of Fed agencies buying literally tons of .40, now the narrative has switched to 9mm, anybody else curious why we haven't seen mass dumping of .40 on surplus market?
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By that logic .380 acp would be cheaper than 9mm but that's not the case.
During the Obama years there were stories of Fed agencies buying literally tons of .40, now the narrative has switched to 9mm, anybody else curious why we haven't seen mass dumping of .40 on surplus market?
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I like the .40 personally. And I have never understood the supposed recoil issues, never even notice it. One of my last Semi-auto purchases was a 40 Shield. Hasn't the .45 ACP round been obsolete for the last few decades according to some?
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When I said, " Now, I agree with four of the six.", I meant to say that, I myself have no use for those calibers. But I do realize that there are people out there that still enjoy shooting or carry these calibers. And they may be the only guns they own. But with the price and availability of ammo, will these four start fading away? Or become a niche for some?
I don't think the 40s&w is going anywhere. Just like other things gun related, I believe the cycle will come back around and that it will once again be a hot commodity. All these first time buyers were swooping up the 9mms, they will start wanting other calibers just like the rest of us.
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I could see the .45GAP going away someday, but not the others, especially. 40S&W
I could see the .45GAP going away someday, but not the others, especially. 40S&W
Jack Flash
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Precisely.
Expect to see "revolver vs semi-auto" next month. Same stuff regurgitated over and over.
sigp220.45
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The Obama years? That ammo has long been shot up.
There are currently over 13,000 Special Agents in the FBI. The Bureau budgets for 1,000 rounds per agent per year. Agents qualify 4 times a year with their duty handguns. A practice course, a qual course, then a couple of other courses depending on what the training emphasis is for that quarter.
So, that's 14 million rounds right there, every year. Then there's the Academy, where trainees shoot about 10,000 rounds each before graduation. And HRT and SWAT, who have their own quals. A million here, a million there - pretty soon you're talking about a lot of ammo.
Other fed agencies may shoot less, some may shoot more. There are a lot of LE agencies, and a surprising number of gun-toters in non-LE agencies.
No matter what, ammo doesn't get dumped on the market. It gets shot up eventually. Even though the Bu has made the 9mm the standard issue, .40 S&W is still approved for personally-owned Bureau-approved guns. The FBI will be buying .40 ammo for a while.
I know a guy who was helping to close up an old Resident Agency and found a 50 year old case of .38 Super.
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Remember the articles in the "Gun Rag" magazines are written to sell their print product and sometimes to provide editorial support for advertisers. I always read anything in the periodicals with these points in mind.
Due simply to the number of 40 S&W pistols and carbines sold over the last 20+ years the demand for the ammo will be there for decades to come.
The excellent .41 Remington cartridge has always been a lower volume seller. When I owned a S&W 57 nearly 40 years ago only 2 loadings, both from Remington, could sometimes be found on the shelves. I reloaded for it because of that, as well as for the significant cost savings over factory.
Due simply to the number of 40 S&W pistols and carbines sold over the last 20+ years the demand for the ammo will be there for decades to come.
The excellent .41 Remington cartridge has always been a lower volume seller. When I owned a S&W 57 nearly 40 years ago only 2 loadings, both from Remington, could sometimes be found on the shelves. I reloaded for it because of that, as well as for the significant cost savings over factory.
I agree with others who see the .45 GAP's extinction.
Perhaps writers of useless fish wrappers should concentrate on what flavors Baskin Robbins may eliminate.
Perhaps writers of useless fish wrappers should concentrate on what flavors Baskin Robbins may eliminate.
fiasconva
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Funny how so many law enforcement agencies are still using that obsolete 40 isn't it?
Well yeah I'd expect FBI to use it up but what I'm referring to were other agencies, IIRC it was IRS, Postal and lesser agencies that people were questioning the volume and need.
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hyena
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I can name a magazine that's already obsolete. Its initials are F&S.
Duckfood
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Obsolete does not necessarily mean no longer in existence... Just that there are other products that most people prefer...
Two of my favorite rounds are listed in that article: the .41 Magnum and .32 H&R... It's not going to make me stop shooting them because F&S says so... The .41 Magnum fell out of favor because Dirty Harry carried a .44... .32 H&R was pretty much always a niche round, and, now that the .327 Fed Mag is out there, a little more dirt has been kicked on it's grave...
I'll be keeping my Model 57 and 631...
Two of my favorite rounds are listed in that article: the .41 Magnum and .32 H&R... It's not going to make me stop shooting them because F&S says so... The .41 Magnum fell out of favor because Dirty Harry carried a .44... .32 H&R was pretty much always a niche round, and, now that the .327 Fed Mag is out there, a little more dirt has been kicked on it's grave...
I'll be keeping my Model 57 and 631...
Field & Stream, the magazine is not affiliated with the Dick's related sporting goods company by the same name.
31FordA
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I rarely run across .41 Magnum, but before the current circus I routinely ran across all the other allegedly obsolete cartridges. Most of the shops I went too stocked all those cartridges, and guns in those calibers weren't too hard to find. I doubt a month went by when I didn't see a .25 Beretta for sale somewhere. I have a multitude of .32 autos, my P32 KelTec's will be with me to the bitter end.
I suppose the future for .45 GAP isn't bright, mainly because so few of the pistols were made when compared to other calibers. I could be wrong however. I was in my local cop shop yesterday and they had sold out of .45 GAP Glocks. They thought they'd never move them, but the panic provided buyers. Maybe some Troopers had ammo left from PSP's brief .45 GAP era. On the other hand they don't plan to stock them again any time soon
The idea that .40 will go away is laughable. It's no more obsolete than the .38 Spl, another cartridge supposedly doomed by being abandoned by law enforcement. I only have one .40 at present, a Firestar, but I like it.
I suppose the future for .45 GAP isn't bright, mainly because so few of the pistols were made when compared to other calibers. I could be wrong however. I was in my local cop shop yesterday and they had sold out of .45 GAP Glocks. They thought they'd never move them, but the panic provided buyers. Maybe some Troopers had ammo left from PSP's brief .45 GAP era. On the other hand they don't plan to stock them again any time soon
The idea that .40 will go away is laughable. It's no more obsolete than the .38 Spl, another cartridge supposedly doomed by being abandoned by law enforcement. I only have one .40 at present, a Firestar, but I like it.
germansheperd
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Thats where a certain YouTube channel got his info from. He damn near copied the whole thing!
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