Store Policies that just don’t make sense

[LVSteve]

I've bought a handgun at my local Bass Pro. A nice used Colt Police Positive Special. It did not have a trigger lock on it while in the display case. It did not have a trigger lock on it when I examined it. It did not have a trigger lock on it when I bought it.
However, I had to wait 20 minutes while the clerk rummaged around in the back room to find and put a cheap trigger lock on it before I could leave with it.

How long ago was this?

 

[tops]

Every FFL I have encountered in NC reads “transfer” to include handing you one to look at, and won’t, unless you have either a NC concealed carry permit or a valid handgun purchase permit.

Using "transfer" may be a nice way of stopping people that just want to handle a gun. If a person is serious about buying a gun they will have a permit. Larry

 

[ladder13]

Using "transfer" may be a nice way of stopping people that just want to handle a gun. If a person is serious about buying a gun they will have a permit. Larry

Or maybe to keep ineligible thugs from fingering guns while their girlfriends are getting the nod from them. I see that sometimes in shops and at shows.

 

[BSA1]

Using "transfer" may be a nice way of stopping people that just want to handle a gun. If a person is serious about buying a gun they will have a permit. Larry

This seems just plain silly.

Several questions for you.

1. What is the cost of a Permit to Purchase?

2. How long is it good for?

3. How many Permits can I possess at one time?

I enjoy owning and shooting a wide variety of guns. Sometimes I become interested in a certain model based on reading a article, the manufacturer advertising, comments on Internet discussion boards such as this one (GASP!). However before buying one I first want to physically examine it’s features, how well it handles, how well I can reach it’s controls if semi-auto and overall design before I decide if I want it.

Without knowing if I like it a Permit to Purchase is premature. What the Permit does do is stop a impulse purchase which is particularly disappointing if it is a gun I have been looking for for a long time or the price is sweet.

Also since I enjoy owning and shooting many different guns I may (most often) do not have a specific gun in mind when going to gun stores.

Or maybe the specific model I want is out-of-stock. If the Permit has a expiration date this complicates shopping for a gun.

The application and cost of a Permit is discriminatory.

Federal Law allows purchase of more than one gun at a time. Does N.C.? Can I have more than one Permit at a time?

 

[Autonomous]

Using "transfer" may be a nice way of stopping people that just want to handle a gun. If a person is serious about buying a gun they will have a permit. Larry

Boy howdy.
FWIW (not much) I'm not built for sales or counter work.
I'd enjoy helping someone choose the right gun and accessories.
But.
The time wasters that just want to feel up guns with no intention of buying would release the Kraken.

 

[LVSteve]

This permit to purchase nonsense would really get me pee'd off as a milsurp collector. I imagine walking into a pawn shop that has just taken in grandad's Enfield collection and finding a 6-groove Savage No4, a complete No1 MkV, and an Iraqi marked No1 MkIII all sitting in the rack. The only thing that my shaking hand should present is my credit card.

 

[ladder13]

This seems just plain silly.

Several questions for you.

1. What is the cost of a Permit to Purchase?

2. How long is it good for?

3. How many Permits can I possess at one time?

I enjoy owning and shooting a wide variety of guns. Sometimes I become interested in a certain model based on reading a article, the manufacturer advertising, comments on Internet discussion boards such as this one (GASP!). However before buying one I want to physically examine it’s features, how well it handles, how well I can reach it’s controls if semi-auto and overall design which until I can examine it decide if I want it.

Without knowing if I like it a Permit to Purchase is premature. What the Permit does do is stop a impulse purchase which is particularly disappointing if it is a gun I have been looming for for a long time or the price is sweet.

Also since I enjoy owning and shooting many different guns I may (most often) do not have a specific gun in mind when going to gun stores.

Or maybe the specific model I want is out-of-stock. If the Permit has a expiration date this complicates shopping for a gun.

The application and cost of a Permit is discriminatory.

Federal Law allows purchase of more than one gun at a time. Does N.C.? Can I have more than one Permit at a time?

1- $5

2- 5 years

3- 1- infinity.

Yes discriminatory. But I’ve heard worse from people who say, “ I believe in the Constitution”

If you have a CHP, none needed.

None, zero needed for long guns.

 

[tinkerer]

"I've bought several guns at Academy over the years. They are VERY careful double and triple checking the paperwork, and then a manager has to sign off on it before the sale can be made. Then they walk you to a register where you pay for the gun and follow you to the door. They won't hand you the gun until you're at the door."

30 years ago buying the kids their first H&R single shot shotguns, the above policy was in effect at K-Mart.

 

[Hair Trigger]

My experience with Academy is that they sell a lot of guns to people who don't know squat about guns and can get away with those stupid policies because the purchaser doesn't know any better. I go to my local one frequently for other things, but always go to the ammo shelves and gun accessories to see what's there, and I make it a point to listen to the conversations between the gun counter sales people and the customers. I rarely make a correction, but often roll my eyes at what I hear.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

This seems just plain silly.

Several questions for you.

1. What is the cost of a Permit to Purchase?
None-I live in Louisiana
2. How long is it good for?
N/A we don't need purchase permits
3. How many Permits can I possess at one time?
N/A see #2 supra
I enjoy owning and shooting a wide variety of guns. Sometimes I become interested in a certain model based on reading a article, the manufacturer advertising, comments on Internet discussion boards such as this one (GASP!). However before buying one I want to physically examine it’s features, how well it handles, how well I can reach it’s controls if semi-auto and overall design which until I can examine it decide if I want it.

Without knowing if I like it a Permit to Purchase is premature. What the Permit does do is stop a impulse purchase which is particularly disappointing if it is a gun I have been looming for for a long time or the price is sweet.

Also since I enjoy owning and shooting many different guns I may (most often) do not have a specific gun in mind when going to gun stores.

Or maybe the specific model I want is out-of-stock. If the Permit has a expiration date this complicates shopping for a gun.

The application and cost of a Permit is discriminatory.

Federal Law allows purchase of more than one gun at a time. Does N.C.? Can I have more than one Permit at a time?

See the Louisiana COnstitution State Constitution of 1974 > Article I:  Declaration of Rights.

See the preamble
State Constitution of 1974 > Preamble

See concurrent resolution #39
http://legis.la.gov/Legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=55694State Constitution of 1974 > Preamble

See, we ain't the backward swamp dwellers y'all thinks we is.

Loves me my Louisiana State Constitution !!

 

[biku324]

We have no silly permit to purchase requirements in NM. A permit serves no purpose that a decent, modern computer background check cannot serve as well.

We don't have those, either.

 

[Grayfox]

How long ago was this?

March of this year.

 

[LVSteve]

March of this year.

That's a surprise. Must be your honest face.

 

[jag312]

On the other side of the coin; there was an incident at The Gun Exchange in San Jose. A man walked in and asked to see a shotgun. He then took a shotshell out of his pocket, loaded the shotgun, and blew his brains out. The store had to temporarily close to clean up the mess. The last time I was there, you could see some pellet holes in the light fixture under which the man was standing. You can't be too careful because bad things happen.

 

[biku324]

Why BUY a suicide weapon? His estate appreciated his parsimoniousness, I'm sure.

 

[UncleEd]

A number of posters have related
suicides where guns are sold.

If the death occurs at a gun range
or gun store, most gun owners can
grimace and bear its sadness.

But if such an act occurs at a big box
store, where many children might
also be present, that's a public
relations nightmare that won't be easily
erased in the public's mind.

 

[Puller]

First I've ever heard of a "permit to purchase" a firearm. I can see why some folks would think it's a whole lot easier to just steal one.

 

[SMSgt]

Using "transfer" may be a nice way of stopping people that just want to handle a gun. If a person is serious about buying a gun they will have a permit. Larry

Or not, as the law allows.

 

[SMSgt]

On the other side of the coin; there was an incident at The Gun Exchange in San Jose. A man walked in and asked to see a shotgun. He then took a shotshell out of his pocket, loaded the shotgun, and blew his brains out. The store had to temporarily close to clean up the mess. The last time I was there, you could see some pellet holes in the light fixture under which the man was standing. You can't be too careful because bad things happen.

Did he use buckshot? Everyone knows birdshot only causes superficial damage.

 

[BB57]

Friend of mine went to a bigbox gun store with his fiance so she could pick out a shotgun for herself. When he handed her cash to make the purchase, the clerk said he'd have to refuse the sale as a straw purchase. But if my friend went to the front register and bought a gift card he could hand that to his fiance and she'd be okay to buy the gun that way.

A lot of attention has been focused on straw purchases and as such FFLs in general are pretty leery of anything that looks like a straw purchase.

You are however absolutely correct that you can buy a firearm for someone as a gift. In your example, what was done was perfectly legal. He could have also purchased the gun and then gifted it to her outside the store, it would have been fine, and still completely legal, but if done in front of the manager could have prompted a report to the Police and ATF. In the current climate that could and probably would prompt a visit from an ATF agent to see if the purchaser still had the shotgun in question. In his case if the GF was a live in and wasn’t a prohibited person it would be done and over with. If she lived elsewhere she’d still have to be a non prohibited person and he’d have to have someway to support his claim of a relationship where a gift would be normal/reasonable behavior.

With hand guns, gifting can be problematic in some states. For example, in NC I can gift a gun to someone but they need to either have a purchase permit or a concealed carry permit to show they are eligible to own a handgun, and I need to keep the permit or a copy for the concealed carry permit. The same applies to inherited handguns. The executor needs to ensure the receiving party has a purchase permit or concealed carry permit.