Why we should dump “casual” from our vocabulary.

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I took this picture for several reason, for one, I always wanted to do it. The pose suggests a self-confident, and accomplished, perhaps even a very sophisticated person. Add the cigar (even though I don’t smoke), cufflinks, watch, shirt, tie (unfortunately you can’t see my beautiful Prince Albert knot), tie bar, and it makes it look more serious, like a busy businessperson, yet still somewhat approachable judged by the facial expression.

To top it off we do this in black and white photography…. it’s the vintage feel that does it for me.

Many times, I look around and ask myself “what happened?” in today’s day and age. People have become too casual (with everything), but especially with clothing. We accept when people in (serious) business settings dress like they are about to go to the gym, coming from the gym, or they are sitting on their couch at home. It is not a good look and if you think that this might be a good company value to have (where every day is casual Friday), you are mistaken. Most likely your business will not be taken too seriously if you can’t differentiate between customers and staff. And yes, it did happen to me just in case you were wondering. A few years back, in a different life and location, a customer was asking me where to find the General Manager. Funny part was, he was standing not even 10ft away from me when the customer asked me. The difference was that I was wearing a suit and the GM was wearing jeans and a polo shirt. As the GM you shouldn’t do that in my opinion.

I do realize I didn’t wear my wedding ring in that photo. There are several reasons why I don’t wear it often, the main reason being that I hate it, especially when I’m working. And as long as my wife is okay with it, I’m not changing it.

Now, I have learned some life-lessons along the way, and I would like to pass them on to you for your consideration.

We have “e-v-o-l-v-e-d” into a society that thinks wearing a suit for men and a dress (or pants suit) for women is “dressing up.” This is a wrong way to look at things, because we should aways want to look good and be dressed appropriately. This type of clothing is not restricted to one or two particular groups in the social hierarchy. Wearing suits (m) and dresses/pants suits (f) is not just for politicians, doctors and attorneys! I mean, many politicians both men and women can’t even dress right, and they certainly can afford a tailored outfit.

Looking good doesn’t have to be expensive, but dressing expensive doesn’t necessarily make you look good!!

What you see in this picture is a mix of items that I have since forever, and some more recent acquisitions.

- Sean John shirt
- Tom James waistcoat
- Canali tie
- Estrada Armory cufflinks
- unmarked tie bar
- Kuoe wristwatch
- J.C. Newman BrickHouse unlit cigar

Many people object to buying second hand, but here’s a reason why you should give it a try; you’ll save a lot of money and not everything second hand is filthy and nasty. Case in point, I went with custom dress shirts (never had any made before them), $160 each, plus tax. Guess what? I lost weight and the tailor cannot adjust the shirts, so I would have to order new. Well, I won’t, because off-the-shelf shirts are not that bad, and you can have a nice dress shirt for way less than $160 new. The shirts are worn only a few times and are practically like new.

Same with a nice 3pc suit I had made, also at Tom James. It’s way too big now and they just won’t recut and sew it, just order new they said. Items like these will get donated by me, they are barely worn, and someone will be lucky to get their hands on high-quality clothing in like-new condition, for a fraction of the price.

If you buy a suit second hand, try them on, don’t just go by the size on the label. Every suit fits different. I know ladies have the same issues with their clothing. If they are a bit too wide and/or the sleeves or pants legs are too long, a tailor can adjust that, it’s no big deal so don’t put it back on the rack if you like it. Have them cleaned and then go to a good tailor.

If you absolutely do not want to go second hand, then look for sales. Many department stores offer sales, so do designers who sell consumer direct. Sometimes there are factory seconds sales, and I bet 99% of the time you can’t distinguish it from a factory new condition. Many also offer a student, military and/or law enforcement discount, take advantage of it. Every penny counts and you shouldn’t be afraid or ashamed to accept such discounts.

Another thing to consider are the four seasons of the year. Every season, every year, they want you to buy a new, fresh outfit. You don’t have to “upgrade” your wardrobe at that ratio. Your clothes will still be “in style” several years from the day of purchase, especially if you have a classic, conservative outfit.

Now, the one thing these clothes won’t give you is class. If you are a ******, then a $6,000 dollar suit and a $10,000 watch won’t change that. So, we should represent ourselves always at our best. Not because we care too much about what other people might think, but we care very much about what we think of ourselves. Self-respect is the key word here. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard, because we respect ourselves, we remind ourselves to stay humble, and that will automatically swap over to respecting others (more). It’s a beautiful cycle, giving opportunity to meaningful relationships.

There are always “good deals” out there, you just need to look and then make your move. It pains me seeing people work in high offices and such, wearing outfits that are just too casual and it’s unprofessional. It doesn’t have to be that way. Don’t listen to “trendsetters’ or “influencers.” Don’t copy some random “celebrity’s” clothing style.

Another saying I have learned is that you need to stop spending money you don’t have, to impress the person you don’t know!

Don’t think you need to have a certain item from a certain brand to be accepted into a certain club. A) you just don’t and B) there probably isn’t even a club to begin with. Don’t go overboard with it, you’ll just hurt yourself for no good reason.

Find a good tailor and drycleaner. Establish a good relationship with them and take care of your clothing. You’ll have it for a very long time and can gradually add items as you go along. There are hundreds if not thousands of different clothing styles to choose from, and each and every one will probably look better than 90% of what you can see walking up and down Times Square at any given time.

Someone smart once said “your money doesn’t impress me, your manners do!” and that’s a very good saying. You don’t have to spend a ton of money on looking good and professional, you just need to know where to look.

I hope this helps you out a little bit, should you have concerns that dressing “right” might be too expensive for you. It doesn’t have to be.

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I love looking at vintage pictures of people and how they dressed, architecture, cars, life in general. It appears to me that the life we used to have is fading away. Stone, steel, leather and wood are making way for plastic and vegan materials. People are living a totally different life now. I don't like it.
 
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I just returned from an INR check and a pub lunch with Ruthie.

If you saw me coming I imagine you would cross to the other side of the street. According to the Declaration of Independence we can wear what makes us happy.

I got lots of compliments on my PokéBall PJ's.



Not going to cross the street. You look cute.

I'm (mostly) talking about people on the job.

Car salesman then:

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That's what I'm talking about. I can't stand it. Dress right and for the occasion!
 

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About '92 the power tie came to where i worked. The third level wore a light yellow tie a lot. Folks noticed and it caught on bigtime. So did casual friday. Not jeans...khaki pants and golf shirt. Six months before i retired wore casual all week except business meetings. Was locked in to retire and no one questioned. Back when started in '66 code was blue suit, white shirt and dark tie. How times have changed.

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I say it's great to meet a fellow human being! It looks like you're like me and the wife, appearance snobs. :)

We always try to look sharp, even when going to Cracker Barrel for breakfast or just grocery shopping and errands. Here are some pictures when we explored a hidden cave and tunnel in La Jolla, CA (of course the wife always looks better than I do :)). So just in case a tidal wave or tsunami would have swept us away, I think we would have died pretty!


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I'm (mostly) talking about people on the job.

Car salesman then:

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Car salesman now:

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That's what I'm talking about. I can't stand it. Dress right and for the occasion!



Judging from your pictures, a few things have changed in the past 60 to 70 years in the US.
 
Tje last 12 years of my career I was VP/ GM of manufacturing companies. I wore a dress shirt and dress slacks almost every day. I quit wearing a tie when the CEO of the company acquiring us did his welcome to the company presentation in a polo shirt....I dropped the tie but kept the dress clothes.

One of my former bosses, when I was a plant supervisor, told me that you should be able to tell who the boss is just by looking at how he was dressed. I took that to heart and still do.

What others do is up to them.

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I say it's great to meet a fellow human being! It looks like you're like me and the wife, appearance snobs. :)

I don't consider myself a snob in any kind of way.

And sure, you can't judge a book by its cover. Just because you go to WalMart in your underwear doesn't mean you are a bad person. But when you go to work in ripped up jeans, flip flops and a see-through top, and your work is in a district court, and your office is okay with it, then I think we have a problem. I can't take this office serious.

Being dressed right doesn't mean dress expensive. That's the whole point of my post in case you haven't read it.

I've seen defendants come to court in shower shoes, no socks, sweatpants, leather jacket and NO shirt underneath! Seriously, you can borrow some jeans, athletic shoes and a shirt if you can't afford it.

Other people come to court in shorts and flip flops. Totally nonchalant.

Attorneys with seriously ill-fitting suits (again, not about price but fit!), appearing in court. Would you pay a guy like that a $3K retainer? I wouldn't!

They can be glad I'm not the judge!

Politicians with ill-fitting clothes, casual outfits while working in D.C. or in their districts? Hell no. Get dressed and represent! Wear your weekend vacationer outfit at home or on vacation!

Car dealerships.... t-shirts, bermuda shorts and flip flops? Hell to the no. I've seen it and I changed it. I gave everyone a uniform the following week (back when I still worked in that business).

Just because you work in an office setting doesn't mean wear sweatpants and slides to work.

I've seen it and I just keep scratching my head.

Judging from your pictures, a few things have changed in the past 60 to 70 years in the US.

Unfortunately, respect, discipline and manners have changed as well. So has common sense and reasoning, values and morals. Most people probably can't even spell integrity and American pride.
 
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AT&T execs had a fit when Steve Jobs came to meet their CEO in his signature black turtleneck, Levi's, and sneakers. Now the company he co-founded is orders of magnitude (~29x) bigger than AT&T. You're either effective or you're not. A suit will not help.

I worked at Apple for a few years. Flip-flops and t-shirts? Yup. Ties and wingtips? Noooooo. AAPL Market Cap crossed over $2.9T for a while today.

"common sense and reasoning, values and morals," and I would add inteligence, are in no way dependent on how you dress. You're clinging to the past.
 
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As above, I spent the bulk of my retail career interacting with the public adorned in mostly shorts and t-shirts. No complaints.

My dad had the worst fashion sense of any mortal I ever knew. Some of his ensembles were truly cringe worthy yet he met every known definition of "A man". Mom didn't mind at all.
 
Back in the pre-1980s days, IBM was noted for its unofficial (but really required) male executive dress code of wearing a blue or gray pinstripe suit, white shirt, rep tie, and wingtip shoes. Probably not today. Based on my personal experience, the presence of such attire began to diminish in the early 1980s in favor of more casual clothes, and that has accelerated. I retired from an executive level job around 2008, and by then, there were no suits or neckties to be seen on anyone at any level where I worked.
 
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"common sense and reasoning, values and morals," and I would add inteligence, are in no way dependent on how you dress. You're clinging to the past.

Intelligence, yes, thank you. I didn't say it was depending on your wardrobe, this was in response to things that have changed during the past 70yrs.

And yes, I do cling to the past, because I don't like the present. And the way things are going, I already don't like the future.

I was a lowly blue collar worker.

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I'm blue collar too, don't put yourself down. Looking good, be proud!
 
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Fashion is fleeting……no offense but your picture looks dated. If you were going for a 80s vibe you captured it, but honestly it’s not a contemporary look……business attire has changed, even at the C-suite level and it’s never going back….you don’t see folks wearing spats anymore or detachable shirt collars or fedoras. Your idea of right may not be mine, and there is a reason dress codes have gone the way of so many stodgy conventions of society…..dress as you please but don’t expect others to dress to please you. I dress with with the intention of being appropriate for the setting I am in.
 
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