An interesting commentary on Russia today.

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Interesting story. At the risk of sounding political, I fear that we as a nation will suffer if we continue our policies of widespread economic warfare. It's neither effective nor sustainable. The end result may very well be the fall of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. That would be very bad for our economic future.
 
We are indeed in grave danger if we ignore Russia after they've invaded a sovereign country. We are in grave danger if we swallow Russian disinformation intended to influence us. We are in grave danger if we do nothing about covert Russian efforts to use orbiting nuclear weapons programs.

But hey, they have very low prices on what stuff is available just like nearly all of the smaller prior Eastern Bloc countries because they have low wages, high unemployment, and taxes so high that tax evasion is commonplace. Living was cheap for me in Sarajevo in 2019-20; McDonald's was an expensive restaurant. Living was cheap in Yerevan, Armenia this year; unemployment is very high and wages very low. If one envies the Russians, it is extremely easy to immigrate.

We spend 1% of our taxes on foreign aid.

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From the article:

Today in Russia, there is unmistakable tension in the air.

You definitely don’t want to speak out against the war or the current regime— it’s almost guaranteed way to lose your job or end up in a prison.

That’s why everyone is so careful about what they say, and to whom they say it. Unless you know someone really, really well, you have to avoid any potentially controversial topics.

The TV blasts propaganda on a daily basis, effectively brainwashing millions of people. It’s surprising how many Russians seems to believe the news… or at least pretend to believe it.

Sounds familiar - with our cancel culture, our mainstream media, law-fare, weaponized legalism, anrcho-tyrrany and censorship on the big tech platforms.
 
What this thread proves to me is the pervasiveness and effectiveness of Russian disinformation and propaganda.

It is simply astonishing to see so many Americans parrot Vladimir Putin's talking points, as spread by his American allies and "useful idiots" in public life and certain media outlets, while at the same time denigrating and ridiculing our own government and its policies.

The evidence of Russia's perfidy and malevolence is overwhelming, and has been well-documented by Western governments for years...and yet many of us choose instead to believe the lies we are told, because they are repeated to us over and over again.

From his perch in Hades, Joseph Goebbels is smiling... :(

GEC Special Report: Russia's Pillars of Disinformation and Propaganda - United States Department of State

BMI - Homepage - Examples of Russian disinformation and the facts

The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model: Why It Might Work and Options to Counter It | RAND

Just a moment...

France accuses Russia of disinformation campaign against Ukraine's allies

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-long-history-of-russian-disinformation-targeting-the-u-s
 
What this thread proves to me is the pervasiveness and effectiveness of Russian disinformation and propaganda.

It is simply astonishing to see so many Americans parrot Vladimir Putin's talking points, as spread by his American allies and "useful idiots" in public life and certain media outlets, while at the same time denigrating and ridiculing our own government and its policies.

The evidence of Russia's perfidy and malevolence is overwhelming, and has been well-documented by Western governments for years...and yet many of us choose instead to believe the lies we are told, because they are repeated to us over and over again.

From his perch in Hades, Joseph Goebbels is smiling... :(

GEC Special Report: Russia's Pillars of Disinformation and Propaganda - United States Department of State

BMI - Homepage - Examples of Russian disinformation and the facts

The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model: Why It Might Work and Options to Counter It | RAND

Just a moment...

France accuses Russia of disinformation campaign against Ukraine's allies

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-long-history-of-russian-disinformation-targeting-the-u-s

Yes, I firmly believe Russia lies and spreads mis/disinformation but OUR government and OUR mainstream news media are the standard of the world for truth and righteous goodness!

I believe what I'm told to believe. I mean OUR government and propaganda arm, I mean, news media wouldn't lie, withhold or even censor info from us, would they? They've NEVER done that before, right?

Yeah, right.
 
Yep. Put me on the side that believes Putin is a bad guy, that the US has worldwide responsibilities to maintain peace as best we are able, and that my tax money is well spent in keeping bad guys far from our shores, and from our children (fighting as soldiers in foreign wars), by supporting our democratic allies abroad, as in Ukraine, against the aggression of tyrants.

And I lament those who so readily believe Russian disinformation amplified on social media.

Also, while not a practicing, church attending, member of any particular sect of Christianity, I believe in the Christian obligation of the better off to help their less well off fellows, and do not draw the line at our nation's borders.

We are all children of God, I believe, wherever born, and deserving of care, kindness and consideration. (Or retribution, if called for.) I also believe it to be of practical benefit to care for, and support, our allies abroad in terms of our own national security.

No man is an island.
 
Putin was reelected in a landslide and he says that this indicates he's doing the right thing by waging war in Ukraine.

NO political opinion here. Just the fact that he was reelected and what he said it meant.

In recounting events so they conform to his version of reality, Putin's no different than politicians in many other nations, including our own.

But the Russian people know better, and Putin's "landslide" wasn't quite the love-fest he would like his citizens to think...

reuters.com

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Yes, I firmly believe Russia lies and spreads mis/disinformation but OUR government and OUR mainstream news media are the standard of the world for truth and righteous goodness!

I believe what I'm told to believe. I mean OUR government and propaganda arm, I mean, news media wouldn't lie, withhold or even censor info from us, would they? They've NEVER done that before, right?

Yeah, right.

Frankly, sir, I find your attempt to draw an equivalency between the governments and press of the USA and Russia to be reprehensible.

We have many problems in this country, and many challenges facing us, but there is nothing about Russia, its government, its leaders, or its social institutions that I find remotely similar to ours.
 
Frankly, sir, I find your attempt to draw an equivalency between the governments and press of the USA and Russia to be reprehensible.

I don't care.

We have many problems in this country, and many challenges facing us, but there is nothing about Russia, its government, its leaders, or its social institutions that I find remotely similar to ours.
Are you going to tell me that OUR media and OUR government does NOT lie as much aa theirs?
 
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