BG2.0 Misaligned Slide Rails

[GnarlsR2]

How did it go with the Huntpal Rapid Shooting Rest?

Great! That little device is very handy at the range and gave me an instant reality check on how actual accurate my pistols are shooting. I feel like a dummy that I didn't buy one and use it sooner.

 

[RussellJ]

Well. When I sent the gun in I included all the info that I posted on here, descriptions and pics. I’m pretty sure they understood what I was having issue with.

The paperwork that was returned with my gun was interesting. There was a hand written note “attn: Paul G, second time in for the same issue, slide rails misaligned.”. There was a Repair Order completion sheet showing the comments, “The slide rails do not line up”, and, “Slide is gritty when racked”.

So guess how they tried to fix the problem with the frame and rail alignment? They replaced the barrel. smh

 

[LVSteve]

So the rails are still off? How the heck is it supposed to shoot straight.

 

[RussellJ]

Yep, rails still appear untouched.

I noticed they drifted the rear sight to the right and sent me a paper target with 5 holes in it. If the repair guy was able to get the gun to fire 5 bullets in a row with no malfunctions then maybe they did fix something. It would not perform that well when I first bought it. I’ll have to try it and see.

Last night I tried racking the slide without the barrel and recoil spring, takes a little over four pounds on my digital scale to pull it full aft. And the right side of the lug on the front of the slide where the recoil spring goes is still dragging on the frame (wear marks are visible in the pic)

But again, I need to try shooting it. It might function fine now.

 

[ImDrRich]

But again, I need to try shooting it. It might function fine now.

I sincerely hope so, RussellJ, I really do.

I should have my BG 2.0 back today or tomorrow. I will post a report on its functioning this weekend as well as my extensive contacts with personnel at S&W in Maryville, TN.

 

[Cheyenne WYO]

Well. When I sent the gun in I included all the info that I posted on here, descriptions and pics. I’m pretty sure they understood what I was having issue with.

The paperwork that was returned with my gun was interesting. There was a hand written note “attn: Paul G, second time in for the same issue, slide rails misaligned.”. There was a Repair Order completion sheet showing the comments, “The slide rails do not line up”, and, “Slide is gritty when racked”.

So guess how they tried to fix the problem with the frame and rail alignment? They replaced the barrel. smh

The paperwork is abbreviated and cryptic. However, it could be read to mean that you thought that the slide rails were misaligned, but that the gun is not designed to "line up" the way you think it is supposed to be aligned. That would be different than saying that they agree with you but did not change the alignment. All you can do is try the gun and see what happens. Best of luck!

 

[RussellJ]

I didn't like the front of the slide dragging on the frame. I took some sandpaper to it. Had to remove surprisingly little material from inside the frame to get the clearance needed. It cut the force required to rack the down by about 90%. It was still dragging on the slide rails so I put some water soluble valve lapping compound on them and worked the slide. After washing that stuff off and hitting it with some CLP this thing is Buttery Smooth.

Loaded 8 rounds in both the 10 and 12 round magazine and went out to the range. First shots, free hand, 7 yards, 8" gong, Fiocci 90 grain jhp. 15 of 16 rang the gong. No failures. Slide locked back on the last round of both mags.

 

[GnarlsR2]

I didn't like the front of the slide dragging on the frame. I took some sandpaper to it. Had to remove surprisingly little material from inside the frame to get the clearance needed. It cut the force required to rack the down by about 90%. It was still dragging on the slide rails so I put some water soluble valve lapping compound on them and worked the slide. After washing that stuff off and hitting it with some CLP this thing is Buttery Smooth.

Loaded 8 rounds in both the 10 and 12 round magazine and went out to the range. First shots, free hand, 7 yards, 8" gong, Fiocci 90 grain jhp. 15 of 16 rang the gong. No failures. Slide locked back on the last round of both mags.

That's totally awesome!!

Geezz.. I now know a DIY heavy-duty-rooty-tooty "gunsmith"!

 

[agksimon]

If this was a two grand bullseye gun, I'd expect machining perfection. For the four bills it cost, I don't mind doing a little bit of smithing to get it to run better. I enjoy tinkering with them and to me, that's half the fun. Good job on yours and I learned something today.

 

[GnarlsR2]

If this was a two grand bullseye gun, I'd expect machining perfection. For the four bills it cost, I don't mind doing a little bit of smithing to get it to run better. I enjoy tinkering with them and to me, that's half the fun. Good job on yours and I learned something today.

I agree. Part of the enjoyment of this hobby is learning how these things work and being hands-on. Any hobby I get into I'm usually deep into it and past my hip waders quickly.

My $200 KelTec P-17 is my favorite range toy and I spent about 30 minutes smoothing the rail contacts with a finger nail board. They were surprisingly rough and not formed precisely.

I can't sing and I can't dance but I'm lucky to be very handy at fixing things.

The experience I've gained from owning this BG2 is the silver lining on the dark cloud S&W released with this gun.

I've experienced new aftermarket product manufacturers like Muddy River Tactical, Talon Grips, XS Sights, and Galloway Precision. Those companies are first class in their products and especially their customer service.

S&W should take a hard look at how those firearm industry companies operate. Extraordinary Customer Service is not that difficult to create.

"The best customer service is if the customer doesn't need to call you, doesn't need to talk to you. It just works." ~Jeff Bezos

 

[Pisgah]

This thread has been the auto pistol equivalent of "Is my revolver cracked?" when someone finally notices the seam around the side plate.

Quit looking for problems in your guns folks, and try just shooting them...

 

[RussellJ]

Got about a hundred rounds though it now. Three different brands of ammo. No issues. Plus it seems like I can shoot it more accurately than my lcp.

With the new barrel, fixing the slide to frame interference and getting the slide rails smoothed out looks like the only thing left to fiddle with is the extractor. Picking up the spent brass is an adventure. This thing throws brass everywhere. Forward, backward, left, right, straight up. But, it’s shooting reliably so I think I’ll wait on that for now. I’ll just enjoy shooting it for a while.

Thanks for all the help guys

 

[GnarlsR2]

This thread has been the auto pistol equivalent of "Is my revolver cracked?" when someone finally notices the seam around the side plate.

Quit looking for problems in your guns folks, and try just shooting them...

That was my plan after I viewed a dozen rave reviews on YouTube.

After opening the box and listing “problems” that S&W so blatantly included, I fixed it myself, THEN I tried “shooting” it.

I really like my little BG2. It’s really a damn shame that Smith & Wesson doesn’t like it as much.

 

[RussellJ]

I really like my little BG2. It’s really a damn shame that Smith & Wesson doesn’t like it as much.

I’m liking it better all the time. S&W did a great job of design and engineering with this thing. I mean, creating an LCP sized striker fired pistol with a double stack mag is incredible. And it’s a good looking pistol that feels good in the hand.

it’s a shame the build quality is off. Hopefully as time goes on they’ll get the kinks worked out. Fortunately it seems like the flaws are minor enough that owners are able to fix them themselves.

 

[GnarlsR2]

I really like this little handgun.

The design is flawed and the lack of quality is shameful.

My Armorer would not touch my BG2 after inspecting it and stating my concerns.

IF I found an armorer/gunsmith willing to make the modifications that I have done to get it to reliable condition, at his cost per hour I’d be out of pocket over $500. Since I had to “engineer” it myself S&W should send me another one that’s been made right as compensation for my loss of time to correct and make right their mistakes.

As I said before, the Body Guard 2.0 could have been one of the top 10 handguns of the decade.

There’s no excuse for the legendary Smith & Wesson, who has 5 guns in “The 25 Greatest Handguns of All Time”, according to Field & Stream, to release a handgun marketed and designed specifically for a pocket carry, highly concealable, self-defense weapon, with the quality defects and design flaws it has.

 

[Nycfinest]

DISCLAIMER!!! I am not a gun smith my opinions are not professional advice so proceed at your own risk. I will not be responsible for anyone’s injuries or death. I haven’t had any of the accuracy issues and my bg2.0 sights were perfectly aligned. I did however have the rail and tight slide issue and 1 out of every 50 rounds failed to feed (flat nose fmj hanging up on the first feed ramp). I found for me polishing all contact parts including feed ramps worked wonders with exception to sear (don’t touch the actual sear). That’s rails, feed ramps, trigger bar, slide release bar and any misc high/rough points you could find (coating in very rough creates tons or drag). Now My bg2.0 cycles as smoothed as whipped butter. If you really want to see if the polishing helps but not to handy or sure I believe S&W has a gunsmithing service to polish most of what I said and tune your action up. I believe it’s somewhere around the $160 mark (yeah half the price of the BG2.0) and a local gunsmith might be able to do it for cheaper. You could also get a dremel and some polishing attachments. Just make sure the polishing attachments are very fine 2000grit and up. You don’t want to accidentally take to much off. You could always start off alittle at a time, put the slide back and check how it cycles. If it needs more it’ll leave things marked and you’ll see where it needs more polishing.