Talk me out of buying a Bodyguard 2.0 -

I just bought one a few weeks back. I have about 350 or so rounds through it. So far the sights are the only complaint. Rear sight is just about all the way to the right. The front sight is just right of center. It shoots about 3 inches left at approximately 10 yards. The only problem was one failure to feed and one failure to eject. I ran 4 different ammo types through it that day, lehigh defense 68 gr. Sig Sauer elite defense 90 gr JHP, Monarch 95 gr FMJ and about 250 rds of Georgia Arms 90 gr FMJ. I need to drift my sights and head back to the range here soon. This is actually a very pleasurable firearm to shoot, given it's size. I bought it to throw in my pocket for a quick store or errand run and to have in my kayak.
I believe in my mind that this cartridge will be okay for getting people out of my space, in up close situations. I understand it's, and my limitations, in certain situations. It will absolutely fill my needs for what it's intended purpose will be. If I'm headed out all day, my 1911 or Shield will be on my hip.
The other thing that's a pain I can live with, is loading that 12 round mag. That's a dang chore...
 
GnarlsR2 said:
I’ve been a gun owner since 1978.

My Colt 1911, Ruger, Charter Arms, KelTec, DPMS Panther, and both P365s have been flawless.
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Gun sales have been through the roof the last 4-5 years. Arms companies are pushing out more and more guns to meet the demand. Quality control takes a hit. Especially with rushing new release guns to the market for that sales share..
 
joeb427 said:
Gun sales have been through the roof the last 4-5 years. Arms companies are pushing out more and more guns to meet the demand. Quality control takes a hit. Especially with rushing new release guns to the market for that sales share..
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In a typical sales business model there are two ways to increase profit…. Increase revenue or lower costs.

If I were a S&W type supplier knowing that demand is higher and selling more increases profit, I would work at making my product even better by simply improving design and focusing on quality control. Then amp up my customer service level to make it extraordinary.

At that point I would raise my prices slightly because the average consumer, and I’d think the average self-defense handgun buyer, will pay more for my known quality and customer service. Reputation and word of mouth are two very powerful factors in a sales-driven entity.
 
GnarlsR2 said:
In a typical sales business model there are two ways to increase profit…. Increase revenue or lower costs.

If I were a S&W type supplier knowing that demand is higher and selling more increases profit, I would work at making my product even better by simply improving design and focusing on quality control. Then amp up my customer service level to make it extraordinary.

At that point I would raise my prices slightly because the average consumer, and I’d think the average self-defense handgun buyer, will pay more for my known quality and customer service. Reputation and word of mouth are two very powerful factors in a sales-driven entity.
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Companies want their new guns out there and worry about issues later. Look how many things were wrong with the P365 when it came out. It didn't affect sales and Sig fixed the problems and faulty guns and became the number-one handgun gun selling millions since it's start.
 
GnarlsR2 said:
Having your target customer perform quality analysis is ludicrous and risky. It's even more stupid for firearm manufacturer to do it.

Smart companies don't do that.
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Worked great for Sig. I feel the issues with the 2.0 are way overblown. Early issues maybe but fine now.
 
The two most significant developments in CCW are the numbers of Blacks coming into the 2A community and the number of women carrying concealed.

The Glock 42 has been a hit with the ladies, but when they find that the BG2.0 is easier to conceal than the G42, then they will be all in. One problem associated with the BG2.0 is the two-part feed ramp. "It won't feed hollow points!" they complain. Some have polished it; others have run a couple of hundred FMJ's through it and now all better. The construction of the feed ramp is precisely what gives the BG2 a smaller thinner slide than the G42.

The current challenge to our 2A community is to show the ladies how to carry while wearing their tighter, form-fitting garments. The BG2 in 380 is part of the solution.

"But the BG1, the Sig 238, and the Ruger LCP are all easier to conceal!!!"
Yeah, but the ladies hate 'em. Go figure.
This one they love, and we are watching as ladies convert to it from the G42.

A thigh holster G42 is ok BG2 is better.
Bra holster same idea.
AIWB carry the smaller slide profile is enough to make a difference down your pants.
I think S&W has a real winner here for the ladies, for the company and for the cause.

Enjoyed the thread!
Kind regards.
BrianD
 
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GnarlsR2 said:
Having your target customer perform quality analysis is ludicrous and risky. It's even more stupid for firearm manufacturer to do it.

Smart companies don't do that.
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...and some go over the top in their development time. Yes, I'm looking at you, H&K, with your CC9.
 
LVSteve said:
...and some go over the top in their development time. Yes, I'm looking at you, H&K, with your CC9.
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I believe the CC9 took like 4 years to come out. I feel HK makes a great handgun. If the CC9 was as big as my standard P365, I'd buy one.
 
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TwinV10 said:
I'll give you another. Wait till the average female with average hand strength tries to rack it.
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Although I do not find it difficult to rack the gun, I find that it is easier if I grab the front slide serrations rather than the back ones. Of course, an overhand rack also is even easier. But, you would need to grab the rear serrations or you could have a muzzle flagging issue doing that with the front serrations.

It certainly is an easier gun to rack than a Glock 42 with shallow rear serrations only.
 
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Many of us who have had Zero failures and have used a majority of bullet types with complete dependability and can hit a paper plate out to 25 yards using factory sights, wonder if our BG 2.0’s are what the gun writers experienced or just an aberration in S&W’s assembly line.

Long sentence to say what others have said. Yes, some experience issues. Most experience a wonderful and well built firearm.
 
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My only real gripe with the Bodyguard 2.0 is that they made the barrel length exactly the same as the tiny original Ruger LCP. I suppose if you are only going to carry FMJs that is fine, but the Glock 42 may carry less rounds, but the barrel is 1/2 inch longer. With a borderline caliber like 380 that can make a difference in round performance. I would rather have 7 rounds that have a good chance of performing compared to 10 that only might.
 
geeollie said:
Many of us who have had Zero failures and have used a majority of bullet types with complete dependability and can hit a paper plate out to 25 yards using factory sights, wonder if our BG 2.0’s are what the gun writers experienced or just an aberration in S&W’s assembly line.

Long sentence to say what others have said. Yes, some experience issues. Most experience a wonderful and well built firearm.
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Ther are many different experiences.

Based upon the 10s of thousands of posts, MOST buyers of the BG2 have experienced “issues”, some catastrophic failure.

Many buyers have stated they have had to polish the 2-stage feed ramps to eliminate failure to feed.

Some buyers have no issues with feeding, but complain about the sights.

Many buyers have upgraded their BG2 with XS Sights, Galloway Precision guide rods, Talon grips.

A very small number of buyers have stated that their BG2 out of the box had NO “issues”.

My BG2 takes more force to rack the slide than any other slide pistol I own. It will take some practice for a person with small hands or less stronger grip to comfortably rack the slide.

Most buyers agree this is an innovative and surprisingly very accurate, controllable, comfortable, defense handgun to shoot and carry.
 
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GnarlsR2 said:
Based upon the 10s of thousands of posts, MOST buyers of the BG2 have experienced “issues”, some catastrophic failure.
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Really? You have read tens of thousands of posts and compiled a list of "issues" that over 5000 people have had? (Maybe you are using some AI tool to compile data?)

Also, some things categorized as "issues" are really differences in preferences (e.g. width of rear sight opening) or extremely minor things like moving sights or break-in issues.

Finally, how many of these guns are actually out in the wild? Given all of the positive reviews I have seen, if it is not in the hundreds of thousands right now, I would be surprised.
 
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