GOA's lawsuit forces NYC to allow Non-Residents to apply for CCW Permits.

[ISCS Yoda]

BTW, WHY do we need a Permit at all for something that is a RIGHT as per our constitution. It is a right and not a privilege such as a driver's license.

That's a very old whine that can get you arrested if you try it in New York. Go ahead and carry a gun in NYC and get caught and try that argument. Maybe you'll win......

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Yesterday, the New York City Police Department adopted an emergency rule which will allow non-residents to apply for concealed carry permits.

I was fixing to give it a whirl but the link failed.

 

[Marshal Tom]

How does LEOSA work for us retired cops in NYC? We are supposed to able to carry in all 50 states as stated by rbmac52 above?

 

[sigp220.45]

How does LEOSA work for us retired cops in NYC? We are supposed to able to carry in all 50 states as stated by rbmac52 above?

LEOSA has been the law of the land for 20 years. The "I don't want to be a test case" crowd will tell you not to carry. If I go there (my daughter wants me to take a trip there with her) I will carry. I figure after 20 years the test cases are all done, and LEOSA is still there.

 

[ImDrRich]

Perhaps this will encourage other states to honor the NYC/NYS pistol license now.

Perhaps.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Here's the link that SHOULD work to show the rule:

https://www.gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/Emergency-Gun-License-Rules-8.8.24.pdf

It's a complex thing, of course. And the promulgated forms are apparently not yet available.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I've carried in NYC on regular creds and on LEOSA. Never had an issue, but then again I didn't tell anyone or shoot anyone. Hardest part is talking your way around the magnetometers with LEOSA . . .

LEOSA has been the law of the land for 20 years. The "I don't want to be a test case" crowd will tell you not to carry. If I go there (my daughter wants me to take a trip there with her) I will carry. I figure after 20 years the test cases are all done, and LEOSA is still there.

 

[The Big D]

Works as it should.

ZERO issues with LEOSA carry in NYC…and the whole state.

Have visited there 20 plus times since LEOSA was enacted.

Again, zero issues.

It is federal law.

Be safe.

How does LEOSA work for us retired cops in NYC? We are supposed to able to carry in all 50 states as stated by rbmac52 above?

 

[saintarctangent]

This is interesting. I wonder if anyone will apply - just out of spite!

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

How does LEOSA work for us retired cops in NYC? We are supposed to able to carry in all 50 states as stated by rbmac52 above?

As long as you have your retired ID and have shot a recent LEOSA qualification, you "should" be OK. Of course if you go through New Jersey to get there, then don't have any hollow points on you. Except for Hornady Critical Defense FTX with the little plastic tip. That has been granted the New Jersey State Police seal of approval, at least for now.

I'm 22 years retired from a NJ PD very close to NYC. The cops themselves paid little attention to the stupid laws the politicians made. A lot of NYPD lived in Jersey or shopped there etc. And we had cross border investigations going on all the time. NYPD intelligence had long term activity in Jersey City, especially terrorism related. We did cross border training pretty regularly. Their gang units were phenomenal.

All of the departments worked together quite well. In spite of ignorant politicians in Albany and Trenton. Such is police life in the tri-state region.

 

[chief38]

After having a NYS carry permit for 45 years I can tell you NY has more rules, restrictions and regulations than any other place I have ever seen and carried. And..... that was as a NY resident at the time! Even if you did get a non resident permit, I'd read every single restriction, rule and regulation twice and truly understand what you are doing!!!! NY is very anti gun and will use ANY excuse, minor infraction or rule bending to arrest you, confiscate your gun and cost you an absolute bundle to defend yourself. You will never get the gun back either. They like to make examples out of people so others will say, "forget about that". Just another reason I got out of NY 4 years ago - NEVER to return!

 

[bushmaster1313]

Even if forced they will make it so expensive, such a long wait time, barrage you with ridiculous amounts of paperwork and make the process all but impractical to get one. NYC pretty much ignores what the actual laws and statutes are - they do what they want and get away with it. It's always been that way there.

AND
Assuming you get an out of state permit, how do you bring your carry gun into NYC if as I believe the trains and train stations are sensitive places where guns are prohibited?

AND
The bridges and tunnels are also sensitive places.

 

[Phenix]

GOA Lawsuit Forces NYC To Allow Non-Residents to Apply for Carry Permits | GOA

August 9, 2024

Washington, D.C. - Yesterday, the New York City Police Department adopted an emergency rule which will allow non-residents to apply for concealed carry permits. This follows a lawsuit filed by Gun Owners of America (GOA) and the Gun Owners Foundation (GOF) in February of this year on behalf of several non-residents (including Newsmax TV Host Carl Higbie) who have been wholly unable to secure any type of carry permit in New York, leaving them defenseless.

Erich Pratt, GOA's Senior Vice President, issued the following statement:

"This is great news for the untold millions of Americans who either work or visit New York every year. It's critical that everyone can exercise their inherent right to self-defense, but until now, anti-gunners in New York denied most Americans that basic right."

"We will continue to monitor local cases to ensure that NYPD indeed grants these permits to applicants in a timely and non-onerous manner. Otherwise, we will gladly file another lawsuit directed specifically at Mayor Adams and the NYPD."

Background: Under current New York law, only New York residents, or those who primarily work in New York, may apply for and obtain permits to carry concealed weapons, and the state does not grant any form of reciprocity for individuals who hold a similar permit from another state.

As a result, those who hold out of state driver's licenses may drive in New York, but the exercising of one's constitutional right to bear arms in New York State is wholly inaccessibly to the 94% of Americans who are not New York State residents. New York is one of a very few states where nonresidents are not allowed to exercise their Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms.

That is generally good news, but Lord help you if you ever have to use it in NYC. By the time the NY and NYC judicial system and Civil attorneys get through with you, you will be penniless and wishing that maybe you should have just let the perp stab or shoot you.

 

[Phenix]

AND
Assuming you get an out of state permit, how do you bring your carry gun into NYC if as I believe the trains and train stations are sensitive places where guns are prohibited?

AND
The bridges and tunnels are also sensitive places.

BTW, WHY do we need a Permit at all for something that is a RIGHT as per our constitution. It is a right and not a privilege such as a driver's license.

I agree with you on the Constitutional issue, but the prisons are full of people who thought it was their right to carry a gun almost anywhere with or without a permit. Ethically, they're right. But they are still in jail.
A lot of jurisdictions don't pay much attention to the Constitution or the intent of it's signers. Just a fact of life that's never going to change much.

 

[Phenix]

That is true. So that alone should be a lawsuit, imo. Not a lawyer but does equal protection apply?

No. Some people are more equal than others.

 

[Phenix]

Long past due for interstate carry.

Not ever going to happen.
Wast of time and resources.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

BTW, WHY do we need a Permit at all for something that is a RIGHT as per our constitution. It is a right and not a privilege such as a driver's license.
I agree, "shall not be infringed" seems so simple and easy to understand, yet here we are.

I don't understand these puerile comments. Read what Chief38 said:

AGAIN: What the SCOTUS says has mostly been ignored or manipulated by the politicians in NYS and NYC. CA, MA, IL HA and NJ aren't far behind.

What part of the fact that these jurisdictions ignore our rights and the law did you miss?