Here is a latest (interpretation??) of the need or not to attend the 16+2 hrs of class and range time course for NYS P/Permit applicants.
According to this local news story (WHEC-10/Rochester)
The language in the latest information handed down from DCJS (NYS Dept of Criminal Justice Services) makes differences betw :
NYS P/P Recertification and NYS P/P Renewal.
The language shows up in an explanation of what the 16hr class room and 2hr Range time cousre will cover. As well as who will be able to teach it (certification).
In the document :
".....Licensing officers are responsible for ensuring that concealed carry firearm
license applicants have received the required training from a Duly Authorized Instructor
prior to license issuance or renewal...."
The key wording is 'prior to license issuance or renewal'.
License of course being the NYS P/Permit.
'Issuance' is that of a a brand new P/Permit to a person who had not had a P/P before the new law goes into effect (9-1-22)
'Renewal' is the process whereby some jusristictions within NYS require their P/Permit holders to re-apply every 3 yrs for their NYS P/P
It means a complete from scratch application with picture(s), fingerprints, character references, a background check usually done by the County S/O or the Metro PD of the area. These licensing juristictions generally require a Handgun Safety Course as well.
These 'RENEWAL' juristictions are where the 16+2hrs NYS Safety course will be required now for existing NYS P/P holders.
They are generally downstate,,NYC, Nassau, Suffolk countys..
Upstate,,the majority of P/P holders have had to 'Re-Certify' their NYS P/Permits in the last few years.
Permits are issued with no expiration date.
The re-certification was to verify the info on the permit.
Not only the personal info of the permit holder, but also the individual gun info (registration info) of the guns on the permit.
Re-certification has been done 'on-line' or by mail.
No new P/P application, no new picture, no new prints, no character references, etc.
Just the verification of the P/P info.
According to this article and the DCJS says it agrees with it in a Fed Ct hearing, the difference in the two is the difference in having to take that course ,,and not having to take it.
...Any NEW P/P applicants, no matter where they may reside in the state applying after 9-1-22 will have to take and pass the course as part of the P/P application process.
That's how I read it now.
Of course things change over nite. So we will see.
Link to the article. It was also a news story on the local station.
NYS issues Minimum Standards for Firearm Safety Training - WHEC.com
There is so much more in this new law like the storage requirements & the Point of Contact being changed to the NYSP on Dealer Sales.
The latter isn't any different from what some other states do.
The phone # will be (eventually) the same # the dealer will call to do an Ammunition Background Check when that ever comes to be. As that 'check' will be done by the NYSP.
The little hidden gem in all of it is the 'fee'.
When an FFL/or Licensed 'Seller of Ammo' calles that new number for a background check, a $15 'fee' is charged to the dealers phone for the call.
Doesn't matter if the call is to check the backgrd for a $1000 firearms sale or a box of .22's for an ammo sale.
(No word on when the Ammo Sales background check system will be up and running.
The exact same system called for in the 2014 SAFE Act never came to be. So we can only hope they are doubly successful.
According to this local news story (WHEC-10/Rochester)
The language in the latest information handed down from DCJS (NYS Dept of Criminal Justice Services) makes differences betw :
NYS P/P Recertification and NYS P/P Renewal.
The language shows up in an explanation of what the 16hr class room and 2hr Range time cousre will cover. As well as who will be able to teach it (certification).
In the document :
".....Licensing officers are responsible for ensuring that concealed carry firearm
license applicants have received the required training from a Duly Authorized Instructor
prior to license issuance or renewal...."
The key wording is 'prior to license issuance or renewal'.
License of course being the NYS P/Permit.
'Issuance' is that of a a brand new P/Permit to a person who had not had a P/P before the new law goes into effect (9-1-22)
'Renewal' is the process whereby some jusristictions within NYS require their P/Permit holders to re-apply every 3 yrs for their NYS P/P
It means a complete from scratch application with picture(s), fingerprints, character references, a background check usually done by the County S/O or the Metro PD of the area. These licensing juristictions generally require a Handgun Safety Course as well.
These 'RENEWAL' juristictions are where the 16+2hrs NYS Safety course will be required now for existing NYS P/P holders.
They are generally downstate,,NYC, Nassau, Suffolk countys..
Upstate,,the majority of P/P holders have had to 'Re-Certify' their NYS P/Permits in the last few years.
Permits are issued with no expiration date.
The re-certification was to verify the info on the permit.
Not only the personal info of the permit holder, but also the individual gun info (registration info) of the guns on the permit.
Re-certification has been done 'on-line' or by mail.
No new P/P application, no new picture, no new prints, no character references, etc.
Just the verification of the P/P info.
According to this article and the DCJS says it agrees with it in a Fed Ct hearing, the difference in the two is the difference in having to take that course ,,and not having to take it.
...Any NEW P/P applicants, no matter where they may reside in the state applying after 9-1-22 will have to take and pass the course as part of the P/P application process.
That's how I read it now.
Of course things change over nite. So we will see.
Link to the article. It was also a news story on the local station.
NYS issues Minimum Standards for Firearm Safety Training - WHEC.com
There is so much more in this new law like the storage requirements & the Point of Contact being changed to the NYSP on Dealer Sales.
The latter isn't any different from what some other states do.
The phone # will be (eventually) the same # the dealer will call to do an Ammunition Background Check when that ever comes to be. As that 'check' will be done by the NYSP.
The little hidden gem in all of it is the 'fee'.
When an FFL/or Licensed 'Seller of Ammo' calles that new number for a background check, a $15 'fee' is charged to the dealers phone for the call.
Doesn't matter if the call is to check the backgrd for a $1000 firearms sale or a box of .22's for an ammo sale.
(No word on when the Ammo Sales background check system will be up and running.
The exact same system called for in the 2014 SAFE Act never came to be. So we can only hope they are doubly successful.
