A Telephone Message from BATFE -- Real or Scam?

DCWilson

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So a couple of days ago my cell phone went off. I looked to see who was calling, but there was no caller ID other than the phone number. That number was 202-648-9999, which I recognized as a District of Columbia area code, so I rejected the call. Then a day later I saw that the number had called again. This time a pre-recorded voice mail was left. Here's the transcription that my VVM phone provided:

"This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. A Federal Firearms Licensee in Orange County CA has experienced a burglary that resulted in the theft of firearms. Please ensure the security of both your inventory and property, and report all suspicious persons or activity to your local police department. Additionally notify ATF at 800-800-3855 if you find any of your firearms missing, lost or stolen. Thank You. Goodbye."

The last three words were spoken in a strong female voice that sounded like a real person. The message was in a faint, poorly modulated female voice that sounded robotic.

The incomplete caller ID, the detail-free content of the message, and the shallowness of the advice are all hallmarks of phishing scams. But checking in data bases of scam callers, I find that for years there have been calls from this number, and many of the recipients assert an ATF connection. That seems to indicate this could be a legitimate (if fundamentally useless) call. It is true but possibly irrelevant that the 648 prefix is associated with a lot of BTF phone numbers; modern robodial scammers can spoof any phone number they want to.

I don't know what to think of that odd double-800 number that I was asked to call if any firearms were missing. That is NOT the current ATF stolen firearm number. It's the number the ATF website asks agricultural jobbers to call if a suspicious person tries to buy nitrate products.

Has anyone else ever had a call like this? If it's a scam, I don't see how the scam would work because I wasn't asked to call some third party to discuss something. If it is not a scam, why is ATF dialing around and leaving messages so non-specific as to be useless?
 
If you send me your name, dob, ssn, mother’s maiden name, and the name of your first pet, I can check it out for you. I get $75 an hour, two hour minimum, and I’ll need the retainer up front . . .
 
I don't know what to think of that odd double-800 number that I was asked to call if any firearms were missing. That is NOT the current ATF stolen firearm number. It's the number the ATF website asks agricultural jobbers to call if a suspicious person tries to buy nitrate products.

That is the general 800 number for the ATF.
Do you have an FFL?
 
I have a C&R FFL and I have received a similar message from the ATF.
 
.... If it is not a scam, why is ATF dialing around and leaving messages so non-specific as to be useless?

If ATF has reason to believe that there is a general higher danger of gun-related burglaries in Orange County, a warning call like this seems pretty useful to me. They‘re not going to lay out details of an ongoing case in a robocall.

And since it didn‘t contain anything but common sense advice, there‘s no lever for any scam either. No harm can come from taking it at face value.

As Sigmund Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ;)
 
My fault for not mentioning that I have a Collector FFL — curio and relic, which is a Class 3. Since I am not a business, I have no inventory. That was another thing that made me wonder: surely the ATF would know what sort of FFL anyone they they wanted to notify would have.

I will check with local ATF and report back.
 
That really changes the whole tone of the original post . . .

My fault for not mentioning that I have a Collector FFL — curio and relic, which is a Class 3. Since I am not a business, I have no inventory. That was another thing that made me wonder: surely the ATF would know what sort of FFL anyone they they wanted to notify would have.

I will check with local ATF and report back.
 
When the riots about the BLM movement were expected in nearby by Madison, WI, I have received a similar message from the BATF. I have a C&R FFL and think the BATF was just being prudent and advising FFL holders of a potential threat. It is less expensive and safer to make phone calls putting people on their guard than investigating a theft.
 
I have a C&R as well and get these calls from the BATF when there has been a robbery of a local gun shop
 
Oddly enough, 1-800-800-3855 is the actual toll-free number to contact the ATF. Usually, if the call is a scam they post a fake number (the more sophisticated ones are only 1 or 2 digits different or reversed to seem more real) for you to call that gets you into an automated voice system they fraudulently set up to try and get you to leave your contact and ID info.

Your call, if it's really a scam, doesn't lead you into any fraudulent situation that tries to dupe you. Either it's a real call or the scammers are morons. At this point I wouldn't bet the farm on either possibility.

Perhaps an old gun you sold was involved in a theft or crime and they only have records of you having purchased it and not the subsequent owner(s). There is one pistol I sold to an individual back in the 1980s where I can no longer find the receipt after several times moving, etc. If it ever surfaces the last registered owner on the (ancient) paperwork would be me if there are any records even going back that far.
 
I have a C&R and have gotten both calls and e-mails of this sort. Its just a cautionary notification. Nothing to worry about.
 
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