Model 60 VS Walther ppk

Better EDC choice

  • Model 60 Chiefs Special P&R or non

    Votes: 95 84.8%

  • Walther PPK

    Votes: 17 15.2%
  • Total voters
    112
  • Poll closed .
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Ok just looking for an overall opinion from the board on these two classics.I know the .38 special has the edge over the .380 acp.And the walther has another round capacity over the model 60.But giving a choice what is the overall winner,if that is even possible
The scenario would be year long concealment carry.
 
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I prefer revolvers, IMO they just seem more reliable. At the same time you would need to make sure the hammer doesn't get hung up. I suppose it really does just come down to personal preference.
 
While I am a revolver person I do own a PPK which I do like. But I still would take my Smith 36 over that! ;)
 
I have a ppk. I had a smith to smooth the action to function reliably. Also
Walther Bite will get you unless you smooth the bottom end edge of the slide.


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Own two PPK/S (380 & 22lr) and five J frames in 38spl.
Trigger on the revolvers is much better and revolvers are 100% reliable.
Double action trigger on PPK/S is very heavy and do have stove pipes on occasion. Between the two I choose the J frame. In fact I don't even own a holster of the PPK/S.
 
Arik said:
Not sure on how much of an edge the 38 has out of a short barrel
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Not much, if any - it really depends on the loads involved.

The .380 ACP takes a significant hit in a short barrel, but you get get FBI minimum penetration and expansion with 90 gr XTPs in the 3.5" PPK or PPK/S barrel.

The .38 Special and .38 +P loads however also take a serious hit in a short barrel. It's not uncommon to lose 150-200 fps in a 1 7/8" barrel compared to a 4" barrel, and the +P load ends up being needed to elevate 1 7/8 to 2 1/8" snub nose performance to acceptable levels.

If you look at data on actual shoots, the best performing .380 ACP loads outperform all the standard pressure .38 loads in a 2" barrel, while the best of the +P .38 loads in a 2" snub nose are on par with the .380 ACP in a 3.5" PPK/S or 3.9" PP length barrel.
 
I've carried PP's and PPK/S pistols as well as 1 7/8" 2 1/8" and 3" J and J Magnum frame revolvers.

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I've found both to be equally concealable and comfortable to carry in an IWB holster, but the PP series pistols have the edge if you need to use a shoulder holster.

The PP series pistols have a DA trigger that is around 12 pounds, but the SA pull is nice, and once you master a PP series pistol it is very accurate for a pocket sized pistol. The PP series can put lead on target frightfully fast in .32 ACP, but the greater recoil of the .380 ACP tends to slow down the follow up shots slightly.

It is still however better able to score more hits in a fixed amount time than a J frame .38 or .38 +P, PP series reloads are easier to carry concealed and are faster to load, even if you are well practiced with a speed loader.

And, you get 6+1 in the PPK, and 7+1 in the PP and PPK/S pistols, compared to just 5 in the J frame.

Consequently, I tend to give the nod to the PP series pistols in terms of effectiveness, but I don't feel under gunned with a J-frame either.

In that regard, a 3" J frame is just as concealable and comfortable to carry IWB as a 1 7/8" J frame and the longer barrel gives a .38+P load a decisive edge over the .380 ACP.

However, if you step up to the 6 shot K frame .357 Mag with a 2 1/2" or 3" barrel, like the Model 13, Model 65 or Model 66, you'll have a revolver that is easier to shoot accurately and can handle .357 Mag with reasonable comfort.
 
I looked hard at a PPK/S before going with a Model 60. I did not like the trigger on the PPK, so I got a Model 60 3". I put new trigger springs in the Model 60 and the trigger is now very nice.
 
The PP dates from 1929 and the PPK from 1931. As such they were innovative designs incorporating the first practical DA, de-cocker equipped operating system on a pistol.

The heavy DA trigger pull is an artifact of the geometry and the resulting leverage available and their isn't anything that can be done to reduce it.

However, it's not unmanageable by any means, and in fact I owe a lot to the PP series pistols as once a shooter develops the grip and trigger finger to manage its 12 pound or so DA trigger, your DA shooting will be awesome on any revolver with a lighter trigger.

In the extreme, if you want to develop a new perspective on triggers, get an 1895 Nagant. It has what is without doubt the heaviest, grittiest, hardest to control DA trigger ever produced. Once you master it, everything else is a walk in the park.
 
Well, I have carried both types. Both guns were purchased in the 70s so I guess they should be considered in the oldie but goodie class. Actually I have both the Walther and the Indian Arms (Stainless steel clone of the Walther from the early 70s) and am very comfortable with both.

Found the Walther and Indian a bit better when carried in a ankle holster. As for me I rate the 60 with 2'' barrel and the .380 about equal in performance. As far as problems both of those .380 have been very dependable.
 
While I like the feel and slimness of the PPK or the PPK/S, I find them heavy for what they offer, and never found one 100% reliable. It seems that it made no difference if it was an older German made, S&W, Manurhin or an Interarms, they all jammed, even with ball.
I would take the 60 all day long, stuffed with Buffalo Bore 158 grain LCWCHP +P's.
 
Difficult decision...

Have owned both and didn't care for either one. And it isn't that I don't like S&W snubbies or Walthers it just that those two models don't so anything for me.

The 60: Don't have any use for the exposed hammer. Would much prefer a 640 or 649.

The PPK: The unlocked blowback action kicks in .380 and the grip is small.

But between the two I would take 60...and bob the hammer.

Bob
 
Have carried a PPK/S for a long time and will continue to do so. I take it to the range about every two months and have never, I repeat, never had a FTF with it. On the range, I shoot whatever ammo I have handy but my EDC ammo is Buffalo Bore. First round (in the chamber) and the top round in the clip are 90 gr JHP. The remaining rounds in the clip are 100 gr Hardcast.

Yes, the first round fired DA is a difficult trigger pull. However, all subsequent rounds are SA and extremely smooth.

Yes, the PPK/S is a bit heavy for a .380 but I'm so used to it I don't even notice. My body being on the "large" side I really like how slim the Walther is and I find it very comfortable to carry either IWB or OWB.

All that said, I do love my S&W revolvers. :)

Bob
 
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The model 60 has a better trigger, better ammo selection, won't bite / cut top of your hand when firing, more accurate, lighter in weight, easy to adapt to a Crimson Trace grip and won't jam...just to name a few attributes.
 
Colonel said:
While I like the feel and slimness of the PPK or the PPK/S, I find them heavy for what they offer, and never found one 100% reliable. It seems that it made no difference if it was an older German made, S&W, Manurhin or an Interarms, they all jammed, even with ball.
I would take the 60 all day long, stuffed with Buffalo Bore 158 grain LCWCHP +P's.
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I agree! Five years ago I traded straight up, with another forum member here, my SS Interarms PPK for a pristine M60 no dash. I think I got the better of the deal. For it's size, I found the PPK to be heavy. The design of the PP series has withstood the test of time, but now it seems a bit dated, with better offerings in the marketplace in 380ACP. Not to mention, I really don't like my pinky hanging off the end of the grip. I prefer the grip on the PPK/S better. At least with the M60, or any J frame for that matter you can change grip sizes and material easily.

Now, if you're talking new guns. The current M60 in either barrel length will bring 357magnum into the mix. That caliber outclasses the 380ACP in any form, but you're gonna know you've got a tiger by the tail when you shoot it.
 
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