The 586 is back!

stevieboy said:
I used to own a couple of post-lock 686's. They were among the most accurate and reliable shooters of any Smith revolvers I've owned or fired and neither the lock nor the guns' MIM parts bothered me an iota. I sold them only because my taste in revolvers migrated slightly. I purchased a shooter grade 27 because I decided that the massive Ns were a better platform for extended sessions of .357 than were my two Ls. And, I bought a 2 1/2" 19 for carry. That said, the new 586 will be a helluva handgun if its performance matches that of those post-lock 686s.
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I agree that a heavy gun is better for .357 magnum loads. My 6" 686 is OK, but my 4" was not nearly as much fun to shoot for very long. I had a model 620 for awhile and found it punishing to shoot. The lighter guns are better for carry, but not so good for extended shooting.
I have a 6" GP100 that is great fun to shoot full power loads with. It is as heavy as a tank.
 
new 586

I sure hope that they will make the new 586 in a 3" and 2.5" that would be a sure sailing point for me .
 
Unfortunately, I am afraid we may have seen the last of the new .357 K-frames. I really don't understand why, since they still make the .357 J-frames. But when you look at the Classic line, the Model 19 and the Model 13 are mysteriously missing and they are about as "classic" as it gets. I think if they would reintroduce a 4" 19 square butt, a 2.5" 19 round butt, and a 3" 13 round butt, they would sell like the proverbial hotcakes
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Old Fashioned Six shooter has a good point. I would be all over a model 13 (3", 4", round or square) or a 65 in second, lock or no lock. Glad to see the 586 re-released. I can't help but hope that it could mean some other one's might be re-released, because Six Shooter, you forgot to mention one K-frame we need to see again; the 547.
 
L frames dont look like my 15 or 28. The barrel is ugly and they dont balance well. lf they put a pretty barrel on a 586 l might buy it
 
Old Fashioned Six Shooter said:
While I agree that things of old were built with a much higher level of tender loving care than things built today, I feel that this statement is WAY over the top and does nothing productive to encourage new shooters to go out and purchase new guns and expand the shooting sports and firearms collecting hobby that we all enjoy. You do realize that Jerry Miculek shoots tens of thousands of rounds per year through his new production S&W revolvers don't you? The new guns are built to last and will last a lifetime with moderate care. Parts broke on the old guns just like they break on the new ones. I have old guns with good triggers and I have old ones with not so good triggers. The same goes for the new ones. I buddy of mine just bought an old Model 28 and I just bought a new 627. I honestly can't say that one trigger is any better than the other.
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Plus 1 ,,, I have several S&W wheel guns. Some new, some old, some with IL some with out. I love the older one because of their fit, finish,the warm feeling you get from a nice older model, etc.
But my newer ones are nice too.
Some have had 100's and 100's of rounds thru them and they shoot GREAT.
And I also remember some of the bad old days , back in the 80's I think, when you would take off the side cover and find bits & pieces of metal in the action and the inside looked like it was carved out with an axe.
So new or old , If I wanted that model I would get it.
The only thing I don't like about the new S&W revolvers is the price.
 
gr7070 said:
Actually, he didn't nail it at all.

Jerry's guns are not that heavily modified. None of the parts are swapped out to make it more reliable - to make it last longer.

The locks are removed for one big reason, and it's not the reason that most post about here, it's because removing the lock can help remove another ounce or two off the trigger pull, at most. And *unless* one reloads, uses fully seat Federal primers, removes the hammer spur, etc. removing the lock really doesn't even matter.

See my previous post about this. Jerry's revolvers are not that different than the one's we buy and shoot. The big difference is the trigger job, grips and sights, and that's mostly it.
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Well like most comments on the internet, you take them with a grain of salt. In this case I really don't know if you know sure what you are saying is true, like many other comments by others. But as anything else I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Fact is the lock is out, so he will never know to have to worry about it locking up in competition, or know if it could in at unforseen time. On the other hand , I am going to guess he is running at required power factors for the event he is in, not shooting full house .357 in his 627, nor high power defensive rounds in any other guns he may take the locks out of. This is where many of the supposed locks went bad with high powered rounds, many in lightweight type frames.

I think the point was also he does it as a rep for S&W and yet others send there guns in for issues at S&W and get chastised if the lock is not there.

I only own one lock gun, recently bought 2 new in box older models without locks. The lock is just stupid and annoys many. I don't like it, but if I found something I had to have I would buy with the lock, then decide what to do with the lock.

As fas as MIM goes, I have read enough that tells me MIM is fine when done right, and have been told by several well known gunsmiths that MIM is fine and makes for a nice trigger job. So those worried about MIM, should be worried about Obama or something else.

Just sayin!
 
Once again...

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but just what is a SHOT show special? Hopefully just a new introduction done at SHOT.

And how long before they show up in stores?
 
I sure would like a set of those grips on my 617-6.
Does anyone know if the new 586 has a square butt or round.
I am thinking that if the butt is round maybe I can order a set from S&W.
Campfire
 

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zelda said:
L frames dont look like my 15 or 28. The barrel is ugly and they dont balance well. lf they put a pretty barrel on a 586 l might buy it
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As much as I like the original Model 586/686 and Model 19/66
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The factory really just does need to give us more barrel options.
Here is a Model 686-5 Mountain Gun wearing SB grips.
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As for the IL,
Realizing probably the larger percentage of purchasers dont know the difference or care I dont see the harm if the factory allowed us to special order any model without the lock for the same price.
Just pull batches of frames before they are drilled for the lock hole and finish them leaving out the IL parts.

Back in thedays before the Net we had no communal voice but now they know the problem exists and customers are avoiding their product.
Allowing us to special order without the IL would increase their sales and satisfy their customers,
If its a liability thing simply have the consumer fill out a waiver.
Its a Win Win for S&W and the consumer.
Maybe start with the Performance center guns.

Just my opinion.
 
trauma1 said:
just out of curiosity, how much would one expect to pay for a pre-lock, 6" 586 used in, 98% + condition?
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I paid $430 for one this summer from a Cabelas store, and it was advertised on Guns International. Add the FFL fee and the expense of a set of Ahrends round to square conversion Retro Combat grips and I have abt. $560 in it. Looks and shoots great. To me a real value in an S&W revolver.
 
I have no problem at all with the lock, and I like to have S&W's from all eras in my collection.

I love my M&P made in 1919 as much as my 10-14 made in 2007.
 
gumpys said:
why the hell would anyone want the new one? I love all my old one's and all are amazing shooters and built to last , do not need to waste money on a new one that probably wont last 5 years and have a IL and probably have a horrible trigger.
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Probably by someone (like myself) who got into shooting handguns after the IL was put in place and cant find an old one.

Love to hear my guns get put down for having an IL just because I haven't been shooting handguns as long as some of you. I am looking forward to getting my 686 even if it does have an IL. I don't want the IL but nothing I can do it about it. I will enjoy shooting it none the less.
 
Looks great...oh but wait, it has a hold...looks like ****. I won't buy Smiths with the lock, MIM, or without the firing pin on the hammer.

I did buy a couple M&P pistols without the lock...it's an option. No lock, no safety, and no magazine safety...all options for their M&P pistols.
 
J. W. said:
Beyond discouraging new shooters, I find his statements to be just plain old incorrect. While bad ones slip through every now and then, S&W's current revolvers are fine guns. My new S&W's are jsut as nice as my old ones. My 25-13 is absolutely superb.

While its a person's prerogative to dislike modern S&W's and prefer to spend their money elsewhere, its unfair and incorrect to present these new guns as junk. Its just simply not so. S&W, lock, MIM and all still produces the finest DA revolver on the market.

JMO...
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+1, I think Smith must have up the quality control.. I just picked up my 4" 686 plus and it is amazing.. A++++++ is it smooth as an old Colt diamond back, or Python.. No but I guarantee it's not as fragile ..good work smith and Wesson... hope they keep it up
 
Just a though..maybe if the old timers did something about the gun corporations getting sued, us young guys wouldn't have to deal with thinks like IL.... Thanks!
 
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