Difference between a model 10 and 19

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Other than that the 19 is capable of firing 357 Magnum, how does it differ from a Model 10? What made me wonder is that the 10 is still being manufactured while the 19 is not, and it seems that if essentially the same the 19 gives more versatility by being able to handle the 357 cartridge.
 
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The k magnums were all phased out I'm guessing because of the similar sized L frames were beefed up in all the right places. Especially the flat under the forcing cone is non existent on the L frame. With the k frames developing a reputation of cracking there with constant use I'm gonna imagine sales dropped. The 38 k frames, while I think I read someone cracked a forcing cone, were pretty much going to never crack. So they stayed in production.

Fast forward to today, and the 66 is back in production again. The frame changed a little to allow room for the forcing cone to not have the flat spot on the bottom now. Not sure if the 19 has a chance of coming back though?
 
I appreciate the input. I've owned my 19 for about 30 years and don't fire it very often, but I really like this gun. I've kept it as a home defense gun for most of those years loaded with 357mag rounds. I remember once reading that some considered the 19 the best "combat handgun" ever made. Maybe I need to balance it with a new 686 (do they come in nickel?). I've never had a gun feel so natural in my hand as a S&W K frame.
 
The L-frame 586/686(stainless) use the same grips and have the same trigger reach as the K-frame 19...... the 586/686 are a bit heavier than a 19 and have a full under lugged barrel similar to the Colt Python.

Some here have polished their Stainless 686 til they shine like nickle...... but easier to maintain.
 
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Boogsawaste said:
Fast forward to today, and the 66 is back in production again. The frame changed a little to allow room for the forcing cone to not have the flat spot on the bottom now. Not sure if the 19 has a chance of coming back though?
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Wasn't really so much a frame change as a barrel change - although the frame probably had to change to accommodate the new type barrel arrangement. They are now using a two-piece barrel. That is a barrel tube and a shroud. The barrel wall is thinner thus obviating the need for a flat to be machined for crane clearance. While some eschew the two piece barrels, this was the trick to the Dan Wesson's reputation for accuracy - hold the barrel in tension. While DW used a separate barrel nut, S&W just uses a flanged barrel that bears against the shroud. We may see other K-frames returning using this technology - nothing S&W does surprises me.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
Pizza Bob said:
Wasn't really so much a frame change as a barrel change - although the frame probably had to change to accommodate the new type barrel arrangement. They are now using a two-piece barrel. That is a barrel tube and a shroud. The barrel wall is thinner thus obviating the need for a flat to be machined for crane clearance. While some eschew the two piece barrels, this was the trick to the Dan Wesson's reputation for accuracy - hold the barrel in tension. While DW used a separate barrel nut, S&W just uses a flanged barrel that bears against the shroud. We may see other K-frames returning using this technology - nothing S&W does surprises me.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
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Thanks for the info. I thought I read that it was a frame change somewhere...maybe American rifleman? Anyway I'm probably wrong about where the change was made. But yes, flat spot is gone now.
 
The original L-frame 1980s (pre lock,hammer and barrel changes) did have a slightly larger/ heavier frame than a K-frame 19/66 to eliminate the need for the flat area at the bottom of the 19 and 66s forcing cone.

As I said above the 586/686 did retain the same grip frame dimensions as the 19/66s
 
K frame where barrel threads in .820 and barrel thread OD .540
cylinder OD 1.446. This is for both model 10 and model 19. Basically the same gun except for fixed vs adj sights and the 19 having a slightly longer cylinder and less barrel protruding into the frame window because of this.

L frame where barrel threads in .838 (.872 on new model 69) and barrel threads OD .562 . Model 69 is larger here too.
cylinder OD 1.559
 
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651-1 22 magnum

i got another 651 i got an additional 651-1 for my grandson it says in box and on paperwork back by popular demand 651 reintroduced a limited run , i was just wondering how many were made ?
 
I thought I read somewhere that the new K frame 66 doesn't have the flat cut-out in the forcing cone due to a redesign of the way the crane latches into the frame (ie: ball detent). Not because of the new barrel design or any dimentional changes to the frame itself.
Can anyone else confirm?
 
The model 19 also has the ejector shroud, as the model 10 did not.

Also, I'm pretty sure the 19's frame was beefed up in the yoke area also.
 
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Hmm, I am running a model 19 yoke and cylinder in my model 10-2. Had to adjust the forcing cone, but thats all. Forgot about the shroud. Also 19s usually had a better blue job
 
I am certainly NOT an expert on this subject but, quoting from the SCSW 3rd edition.

"The model 19 is built on a frame that is slightly larger than a standard K frame in the yoke area". This is on page 185.

???
 
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BrewsterII said:
I am certainly NOT an expert on this subject but, quoting from the SCSW 3rd edition.

"The model 19 is built on a frame that is slightly larger than a standard K frame in the yoke area". This is on page 185.

???
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I'm no expert either, but following the forum discussion on this particular subject over the years the prevailing thought is the very slight dimensional differences were for accommodating the different barrel profile to include the shroud, not for making the 19 more resilient. The measurable differences are incredibly minute.
 
Owly said:
I thought I read somewhere that the new K frame 66 doesn't have the flat cut-out in the forcing cone due to a redesign of the way the crane latches into the frame (ie: ball detent). Not because of the new barrel design or any dimentional changes to the frame itself.
Can anyone else confirm?
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The American Rifleman article mentioned above gives the details about the modifications. I suspect these were not an "either/or" situation; the lockup and barrel design change went together.

I suspect the factory could easily make a model 19 again; the current production 586 came back after being discontinued and the tooling must be quite similar to that used for the 686. If you want one contacting the Marketing department couldn't hurt :).
 
BrewsterII said:
I am certainly NOT an expert on this subject but, quoting from the SCSW 3rd edition.

"The model 19 is built on a frame that is slightly larger than a standard K frame in the yoke area". This is on page 185.

???
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Side by side comparison of ( L to R) Models 15-1, 14-2 Hanen special HB and Model 19-3 ,
shows the 19 frame is slightly longer in the yoke to mate to the ejector rod shroud.

On a side note the older tapered barrel Model 15 has a similar barrel profile to the older tapered barrel Model 10 except the Model 15 has a Baughman ramp and barrel rib,
Also the 4" Model 14-2 Hanen special uses a Model 10 Heavy barrel with the addition of a ramped front site so you get a close comparison .



Here is a pic with a pre Model 10 for comparison
 
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