38 SPL+P in 1969 vintage 36

I carry a J frame .38 religiously, rotating between a model 37, 49, and 60. I feed all of them standard pressure .38 specials and do not feel that I am undergunned. I wouldn't consider using +P rounds in them. As others have said it's just not worth beating up the gun. If you feel that you need more power, invest in a .357.
 
Shooting over pressure loads in a gun will eventually stretch the frame.

Pretty well documented they are not over pressure loads. I have a 1973 vintage Chiefs Special I have 1000+ plus pee loads through. Nothing loose or stretched. We just recently referenced the test of 1000+ plus pee loads through a Model 12, an airweight gun, with no ill effects. At least two members here in the last ten years have chronographed a variety of plus pee loads, averaging at most 900 fps from a 4 inch barrel, which doesn't indicate high pressure.

Plus pee is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. They ain't going to hurt your gun, just your billfold.
 
I bought a new 37 in 1972.
Biggest mistake I made was letting my stepson and wife shot it with plus Ps. Next week I bought a 4" model 34 for them to shoot. I had no problem with plus Ps for me

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I bought a new 37 in 1972.
Biggest mistake I made was letting my stepson and wife shoot it with plus Ps. Next week I bought a 4" model 34 for them to shoot. I had no problem with plus Ps for me

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So the +Ps your wife and stepson found objectionable were from the 1972-era? Possibly Super-Vels? If so, those were a whole different animal.
 
No. They weren't Super Vels.
I do know a Texas highway patrolman that shot a guy running at him with a chain with Super Vel.
Knocked him down but didn't penetrate. Bad load.

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^ Which means that the effect was psychological, not physical.

J frames have sub-optimal ergonomics as a function of being so small. I found mine unpleasant to shoot with anything but standard velocity ammo. Load it with target wadcutters, and carry standard SWC for reloading, and you will be doing pretty well.

BTW, more than once I have seen old ads that show the both S&W and Colt considered 38-44 loads to be safe in far more than larger frame platforms.
 
Asking about what ammunition to use in the middle of this panic is largely hypothetical.

J-Frame revolvers, especially ones with curved banana grips, are notoriously hard to control and it gets worse as the ammo gets hotter. With the short barrel J-Frame you will not much improvement in velocity and expansion of JHP's is iffy at best. My personal choice is what ammo can I shoot rapidly and accurately especially with one hand and ignore the hype about bullet type and velocity claims.

Personally I think J-Frame snubby revolvers in 38 Spl. is a poor choice but run with whatever you like.
 
First off, if your S&W has a model number, it's generally considered safe to use +P ammunition. There are a few exceptions.

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Doesn't that carry the caveat that the revolver be all steel construction? Today's +P ammo isn't much stronger than today's standard round, but the boutique rounds are TOUGH and I'd hesitate to put a steady diet through my model 38 airweight. Not that it's going to 'blow it up' but it would wear prematurely.
 
Don't feed it a steady diet of +P ammo. But, with occasional use, your hand will suffer more damage than the gun....
 
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What does that mean?

Shooting over pressure loads in a gun will eventually stretch the frame. You might get away with shooting some. You sure as heck are not "good to go" with +P in a std .38 SPC. Your aren't going to blow the gun up, but you will eventually ruin it. "Shoot it loose."

At what round count is unknown.

One of the reasons I don't shoot factory 357 in my model 19's. They can handle it but what's the point. I don't use either one for SD and I'm past the days of enjoying the recoil and muzzle blast.

Some may get a thrill from it however and I've never been one to rain on anyone's parade.
 
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Doesn't that carry the caveat that the revolver be all steel construction? Today's +P ammo isn't much stronger than today's standard round, but the boutique rounds are TOUGH and I'd hesitate to put a steady diet through my model 38 airweight. Not that it's going to 'blow it up' but it would wear prematurely.

Current production .38 Spl. alloy frame guns are rated for +P 38. If you have doubts about older guns, check with S&W. There were some exceptions as I noted. Failing that, you might want to assume that +P in alloy J frames, made before Magnum J frames, isn't a good idea.

Having seen a couple of boutique ammo makers go out of business (and at least one had a booming-no pun intended-business) due to damaged/destroyed guns & personal injury lawsuits, I personally wouldn't use their products. Now, admittedly, that was decades ago and there are more powders available that just might, by a very thin hair, make some value of SAAMI pressures. I've simply seen enough destroyed guns to be very cautious. The "booming" guy was told by several people that some of his loads appeared more than "just one toke over the line", but he persisted, claiming that was how he'd made his brand. Which is now at best a faint memory.

Given a notarized copy of an HP White Labs pressure test showing exact pressures and lot number I might change my mind-for that lot of ammo. But I doubt it. I don't need anymore physical challenges than I currently have.

When the +P+ loads were developed, the end users had to sign hold harmless agreements with the ammo companies. They specifically warned against accelerated/excessive wear or damage to firearms, possible injury and/or death to those using said firearms and end users assumed all liability for same.

Yes, using +P can accelerate wear.
 
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