4 Dead in NY Shooting

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Imagine how things could've been different if New Yorkers were allowed to defend themselves. So sad.
Yes you are correct, however........ as a former NY-er (I won't even go back to visit) I would say you need to understand their mind set. We can't get into politics here so there is not much else I can say. Honest civilians who defend themselves, family or innocent bystanders then become the "criminal" and the real criminals are let go. A prelude to communism IMO.
 
Yes you are correct, however........ as a former NY-er (I won't even go back to visit) I would say you need to understand their mind set. We can't get into politics here so there is not much else I can say. Honest civilians who defend themselves, family or innocent bystanders then become the "criminal" and the real criminals are let go. A prelude to communism IMO.
Yes, I'm afraid you are right. When everyone is convinced that the govt. should take care of them and take no responsibility for their own safety, except to run and hide, it is truly a sad situation. I've been there a few times, but like you, I will not go back.
 
In this particular instance I don’t think the results would have been significantly different, regardless of where in the country it had happened.
Well, you may be right, but if only one more person had been armed and could've taken him out and saved just one life, it would have been very significant for that person. A few years back, we had a gunman that went into a dentists office and shot his ex-wife who worked there. He did kill her, but one of the patients was armed, and jumped out of the chair at the sound of gunfire and took out the shooter. The police said he had plans to kill everyone there. I would say, that's significantly different.
 
A friend once lived in NYC not all that far from Jackie Kennedy. They moved in and bought two garbage cans for the house. The next day they were gone. They had a car parked out front. It was always unlocked with all windows down and glove box open to discourage vandals or thieves. This was 40 years ago....NYC is a dumpster fire always has been..
 
A friend once lived in NYC not all that far from Jackie Kennedy. They moved in and bought two garbage cans for the house. The next day they were gone. They had a car parked out front. It was always unlocked with all windows down and glove box open to discourage vandals or thieves. This was 40 years ago....NYC is a dumpster fire always has been..
A neighbor had an old Dodge Dart used as his “commuter car” and many times, left it at JFK , unlocked, key dangling from ignition switch!
He always thought it would be stolen . . .but never was!
 
Well, you may be right, but if only one more person had been armed and could've taken him out and saved just one life, it would have been very significant for that person. A few years back, we had a gunman that went into a dentists office and shot his ex-wife who worked there. He did kill her, but one of the patients was armed, and jumped out of the chair at the sound of gunfire and took out the shooter. The police said he had plans to kill everyone there. I would say, that's significantly different.
While that is certainly a good talking point in a gun friendly crowd, if you give the numbers a good look, it would be hard to find strong evidence that people who live in gun friendly big cities are less safe than those who live in places where guns are restricted. Cities are dangerous, no matter where they are. Some of the most dangerous cities in the nation are also in places where guns are not highly regulated. I don't think that you could prove a corelation either way.

The bottom line is that every place has nuts with guns and there are few cases that the nuts, carrying semiauto rifles are stopped by good citizens with hand guns. Why do we know that there are few cases? Because, when they happen, they are big news nationally.

It is my opinion that the people of a city, New York, or Dallas, Miami, or Los Angles, think that they can be safer with either more or less guns, more power to them. I don't live in any of those places so I don't have a say. I, live in a gun friendly state, and I don't want others deciding how we handle our self defense, so what is good for the goose is good for the other goose.
 
The actions of armed citizens that deter or stop violent crime are never reported. Look at the event in Michigan where a guy at a Walmart stabbed 11 people.
 
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