442 back to S&W for a second time :-(

[roar]

A friend and I went to the range to shoot my .22 and my 442 for a bit. The 442 shot mostly fine, except for one cylinder hole in the very first 5 rounds, the trigger wouldn't pull. I opened the cylinder, inspected everything, and then tried again. I thought that maybe I somehow pushed the cylinder release on accident during a shot, preventing the trigger from being pulled or something. Anyways, the gun then shot fine for another almost 100 rounds.

I was starting to fire my second box, and the problem happened again. I was able to open the cylinder, eject the ammunition, and then I tried to dry fire it a few times etc. The cylinder is now stuck shut, and the trigger can't be pulled. The cylinder release also won't pop backwards with the cylinder shut. I didn't use extreme force or anything, but the trigger and cylinder are definitely bound in place.

Anyone have any ideas? I love the 442, and I am not going to give up on it, but I am disappointed that I have to send it back to get it fixed now. I was wondering if maybe the gun just isn't meant to be shot that much in one sitting without a cleaning, and that maybe some lead carbon bound up the mechanism, but I don't know. The first time the trigger wouldn't pull the gun was completely clean.

 

[roar]

A friend and I went to the range to shoot my .22 and my 442 for a bit. The 442 shot mostly fine, except for one cylinder hole in the very first 5 rounds, the trigger wouldn't pull. I opened the cylinder, inspected everything, and then tried again. I thought that maybe I somehow pushed the cylinder release on accident during a shot, preventing the trigger from being pulled or something. Anyways, the gun then shot fine for another almost 100 rounds.

I was starting to fire my second box, and the problem happened again. I was able to open the cylinder, eject the ammunition, and then I tried to dry fire it a few times etc. The cylinder is now stuck shut, and the trigger can't be pulled. The cylinder release also won't pop backwards with the cylinder shut. I didn't use extreme force or anything, but the trigger and cylinder are definitely bound in place.

Anyone have any ideas? I love the 442, and I am not going to give up on it, but I am disappointed that I have to send it back to get it fixed now. I was wondering if maybe the gun just isn't meant to be shot that much in one sitting without a cleaning, and that maybe some lead carbon bound up the mechanism, but I don't know. The first time the trigger wouldn't pull the gun was completely clean.

 

[Fulton722]

Does your 442 have the integrated lock, or is it one of the new "no-lock" versions. I'm sure this will be one of the questions the experts on here will need to provide their recommendations.

 

[roar]

oh ya, oops, very important.

it is a brand new no-lock 442... and it bound up somehow

 

[Wheelgunner840]

A similar thing happened with my pre-lock 686. I love this gun, and was very concerned when I could not swing out the cylinder. It turned out that there was some crud stuck behind the detent (pin) and spring at the far end of the extractor rod in the frame below the barrel(muzzle end).

One good rap with a nylon hammer while pushing the cylinder release forward, got the cylinder open, and I just blasted the area behind that locking pin with brake cleaner. There is a little hole there that you can spray gun-scrubber into. I put a drop of oil on it after I cleaned it out good, and have never had the problem again.

Could be that this is what is causing you grief. Check it out.

WG840

 

[JnBy]

Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:
A similar thing happened with my pre-lock 686. I love this gun, and was very concerned when I could not swing out the cylinder. It turned out that there was some crud stuck behind the detent (pin) and spring at the far end of the extractor rod in the frame below the barrel(muzzle end).

One good rap with a nylon hammer while pushing the cylinder release forward, got the cylinder open, and I just blasted the area behind that locking pin with brake cleaner. There is a little hole there that you can spray gun-scrubber into. I put a drop of oil on it after I cleaned it out good, and have never had the problem again.

Could be that this is what is causing you grief. Check it out.

WG840

Ditto that, and also check to make sure that the extractor rod isn't loosening up on you (if you can get the cylinder open again, that is...)

 

[Double Clutch]

A similar thing happened on my 617'S case ejector.
Hold the cylinder and turn the ejector pin counter clockwise. If not tight, the ejector will go to far in and it will hang up when closing the cylinder and it will lock up. Once all the way out a little bit of lock tight will prevent it from unscrewing. It's something I now check on a regular basis..

 

[roar]

I would check the extractor rod and stuff, as I have heard of that loosening up. I dunno if I would feel comfortable hitting on the cylinder with a rubber mallet, but I don't even have a mallet so that doesn't matter...

I guess I just don't feel comfortable trying to force anything open, I am just going to let S&W get it up and running again...gonna call them tomorrow

 

[Wheelgunner840]

Just put a leather belt across the right side of the cylinder and give it a little whack with a regular hammer while pushing the cylinder release forward(be sure to hit the leather). It really shouldn't take much force.

I do understand how you feel though, and if you are more comfortable sending it to S&W, you gotta do what you gotta do. One question though. Are there still live rounds in the cylinder? Local gunsmith might be a good 1st choice.

On second thought, just take it to a gunsmith or send it back to S&W. I wouldn't want to be causing you to do more damage to your gun based on my opinion.

WG840

 

[roar]

Ya, there are no rounds loaded in the cylinder. I was lucky that I was able to open the cylinder once and get the rounds out, because now it definitely won't budge at all.

I tried rotating the ejector rod and stuff, but I guess it is already tight because it won't turn at all.

I sure hope that S&W gets this all running nicely once it gets to them, the gun is too sweet...sucks that I got a problem inclined specimen.

 

[Old Navy]

Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:
A similar thing happened with my pre-lock 686. I love this gun, and was very concerned when I could not swing out the cylinder. It turned out that there was some crud stuck behind the detent (pin) and spring at the far end of the extractor rod in the frame below the barrel(muzzle end). Hummm!!! I have a revolver by a European mfg that did the same thing to me on the first range trip and I haven't been able to figure out why. It does not have an IL, I really havent had a chance to really look at it since I brougt it home from the range. I sprayed it down internally good with a good penetrating oil and set it aside till I can get a chance next week to look at it close and see what is wrong. Will give the other end a look as you did and see if problem is their.

One good rap with a nylon hammer while pushing the cylinder release forward, got the cylinder open, and I just blasted the area behind that locking pin with brake cleaner. There is a little hole there that you can spray gun-scrubber into. I put a drop of oil on it after I cleaned it out good, and have never had the problem again.

Could be that this is what is causing you grief. Check it out.

WG840

Damn I had same happen last week to a new gun, but not a S&W and it has no IL. I just sprayed it down good with penetrating oil and set it on the work bench till I can get to it, will look at it again Thursday and see if any trash in the gun.