.45 ACP: What is it good for? Absolutely nothing?

[ispcapt]

Doubt all you want. But that is what we were told. Probably was Comey that told us..........

Most likely. But I know it was not anyone from FTU who was there when they developed the 10mm.

 

[AJ]

Most likely. But I know it was not anyone from FTU who was there when they developed the 10mm.

Read this............ 10mm Handguns and the FBI | Gun Digest ....looks like we were both right. Problems with the 1076 and some agents having troubles handling it.

 

[Islander]

I have a friend who was in Vietnam and used the .45 extensively and he says it works just fine on everything right up to a water buffalo.
I like them because of the pistol designed to shoot them and the fact that they are exactly twice as much lead as a nine and only 90 ft slower.
Bob

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

While I appreciate the complement that you think I'm so clever as to devise such a dedicated, long-term attempt at provoking a caliber war, all the while playing it extremely cool, carefully avoiding saying anything overtly inflammatory and throwing folks off my trail by repeatedly discouraged other posters from engaging in any arguements over calibers or otherwise responding to inflammatory posts made by others who clearly were trying to start something.

However, I am neither that malicious nor that clever. Besides, if my intent were to get folks riled up, then evidently I have failed miserably because despite your assertions, the thread has remained quite civil since it was posted.

That being said, I tend to speak from the heart, have some rather strong and potentially abrasive opinions on a variety of things which in turn results in folks getting the wrong idea about me and my intentions, so I don't blame you for having that impression of me.
However, such is the unfortunate cost of being an open person and truly speaking your mind in a frank, unapologetic manner in a world filled with many folks who are more concerned about acceptance, who tend to self-censor themselves somewhat, softening their words to avoid offending others and being as agreeable as possible. Personally, I would rather be 100% honest, and whether folks choose to love or hate me for my opinions, at least everyone involved is being honest.

So yeah, I'm not trolling, never was, and find no amusement whatsoever in the frustration of others. The thread title is a reference to an old Vietnam-era song titled "War" by Edwin Star, with the lyrics "War, huh, yeah. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!" Initially, I had assumed that said song was well known enough that folks would recognize it both as a reference to the song as well as the .45 ACP's reputation in military service, thus making it clearly sarcastic, but evidently I was wrong, which gave certain folks such as yourself the wrong idea.
However, if you actually read through the entire thread or otherwise had been present for all of it as it happened, you would see that it is not in fact a troll thread, never was, and never will be.

So in the future when reading my threads, try to do so with an open mind, and don't jump to conclusions that I'm intentionally trying to offend anyone just because I don't play it safe with my opinions or adopt a Politically Correct Persona of someone who has no deep feelings, no polarizing opinions, and no ideals just so that I can surround myself with people who will agree with most of my insipid, bland, overly generalized, faux unassuming statements. As hard as it may be to believe in a world so filled with dishonesty, deceit, and illusion, I'm real, and as unfortunate as it may be, that which is reality isn't always pleasant or agreeable.

Have a nice day.

Opinions are like exhaust pipes.....Everybody's got one....Remember your opinion ONLY matters to you.......Use whatever you want.

 

[OLDSTER]

A good ol' reliable, heavy, and proven battle wagon with a big hole in front, chunking 240gr. "ashtrays", has sort of a unique deterrent. I own 4 1911s ( all Mil-Spec) and one rides comfortably in my bedside drawer.

 

[ispcapt]

Read this............ 10mm Handguns and the FBI | Gun Digest ....looks like we were both right. Problems with the 1076 and some agents having troubles handling it.

If you do research on the federal register you will find the development of the 10mm and FBI adoption. They worked on developing the round 1 year before it was ever issued. They set the parameters they wanted in a round and a downloaded 10mm met those parameters. This was a year before it was ever adopted and issued. After they came up with the 10mm Lite, which duplicated what became the .40 S&W, they presented the choice to the Director. Either the 10mm or the .45 ACP. The Director selected the 10mm Lite. He felt the .45 had been developed as far as it was going and there was more potential with 10mm and the Lite load. At this point NO SA had been issued the 10mm because a gun had not been selected. An RFQ was posted for a gun to meet the FBI specs. After the S&W 1076 was selected then the 10mm was issued. This is all public record from govt sources, not some gun writer.
So the time line went the 10mm Lite load was developed, the FBI Director selected the 10mm as the issued gun, the purchase of the 1076, SAs were issued the 1076 and 10mm Lite for carry.
The story that the SAs couldn't handle the 10mm is hooey because the timeline of when it was adopted clearly indicates the 10mm Lite load was developed over a year prior to any 10mm every being carried. They point to 1 SA who claimed her hands were too small and the gun too heavy. That has nothing to do with the 10mm round. It's also a common complaint when some people are unable to qualify. The gun doesn't fit my hand. I don't like the way it points. It kicks too much. I've spent a lot of time in LE and in the military training shooters. I've heard just about every excuse, not reason, excuse.
Anyone who has ever shot a 1076 with the 10mm Lite load can confirm that combination is a very easy shooting combination.
But people continue to perpetuate the fantasy without doing any actual research. It's all part of the federal record. Even the lamest of gun rag writers should be able to read and follow the timeline. Sadly, it's apparent they aren't.

 

[IAM Rand]

Opinions are like exhaust pipes.....Everybody's got one....Remember your opinion ONLY matters to you.......Use whatever you want.

Not any more. Telsa and a couple o Chevy's have no exhaust pipe. Just saying. Unless tailpipe means something else

 

[IAM Rand]

WAIT 1 STINKING MINUTE, when did this become a conversation about the FBI?

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Not any more. Telsa and a couple o Chevy's have no exhaust pipe. Just saying. Unless tailpipe means something else

I wasn't refering to vehicles.

 

[Drm50]

Who cares what a govt agency says? When smoke clears a plain old 45acp gets the job done. It’s a combat pistol that’s over 100yrs old and simply put the 1911 Colt in 45acp is pistol all others are judged by.