4516 vs. 4516-1 vs. 4516-2

[dacoontz]

Wanted to add this link to another thread showing the feed ramp differences in the barrels. Thanks, Daniel.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/342566-s-w-4596-a.html

 

[dacoontz]

And can someone clarify for me. Does the -1 and -2 slides have the aforementioned washer at the end of the slide to hold the smaller diameter guide rod or was that only for the -1 models?

And another question, does someone have a picture of the feed ramp end of a barrel to a -2 model that they can post next to a no dash or -1 barrel? Or at least explain the differences and similarities.

I may end up shooting some pics of some of the slides I have left and see if I can show examples of the differences here in this thread. Thanks again.

 

[BMCM]

You're referring to this thing here...

You'll only see that on a no-dash or dash1 gun. The others (-2 & -3) came from the get go with the skinny guiderod & nested springs.

Cheers
Bill

 

[dacoontz]

Bill,
So the hole where the guide rod sits will look just as the one in the picture does without the bushing?

 

[BMCM]

Yes, a dash1 gun that has NOT been modified will have a single recoil spring on a .290" diameter guiderod. Same as the one in that picture sans bushing.

The slides on the other guns, no-dash, dash2, & dash3 were manufactured with a smaller hole in the tunnel to accomodate the .236" guiderod and dual nested springs.

Cheers
Bill

 

[dacoontz]

Okay, I think it is making more sense. The only 45 cap slides I have left are the no dash variety with the rib along the top. They are all a little different with what appears to be that same washer in two of them (ones sits flush to the end of the slide and one sits a smidgen back) and then I have one with no bushing. From the comments above I was thinking there shouldn't be a bushing at all. The slide I have right now on e-bay is either a -1 or -2 but not sure. It does not have a bushing in the hole where the guide rod sits.

 

[BMCM]

Barrel comparison shots....

4516 vs 4516-1
Note the difference in feedramp geometry & width. Also note the difference in width of the barrel camming lugs.
You should also be aware that due to the width of the camming lugs, a no-dash barrel will only fit in a no-dash frame.

4516-1 vs 4516-2
Here again there's a difference in feedramp geometry. Especially take note of the difference in width of the barrel hoods.

 

[scwv67]

Where does my 457 fall into the scheme of things? Is it a less refined -3?

 

[BMCM]

Well, a 457 uses the same barrel as a dash2 if that's any indication. pn:236950000

Cheers
Bill

 

[scwv67]

Well, a 457 uses the same barrel as a dash2 if that's any indication. pn:236950000

Cheers
Bill

Thank you.

 

[Eldoktor]

Folks,

First time poster (hiiii!) and relatively new owner of a 4516-2. Thank you very much for all the info; truly enlightening for a newbie to read!

 

[scwv67]

Welcome aboard! You've likely come to the best place to learn about S&W's.

 

[photoman]

Folks,

First time poster (hiiii!) and relatively new owner of a 4516-2. Thank you very much for all the info; truly enlightening for a newbie to read!

Welcome to the Forum!

 

[WhiteLightning02]

Folks,

First time poster (hiiii!) and relatively new owner of a 4516-2. Thank you very much for all the info; truly enlightening for a newbie to read!

Me too! I have a 559 and find this whole family of pistols fascinating.

 

[larry169]

I've just accuired a fairly clean 4516-1, it's my 3rd, third gen S&W (908s & 910s), it came with one mag - yellow follwer & marked "this magazine must have a yellow follower", and does not appear to have gone back to the factory for any modifications, still has the single guide rod spring & no bushing. Have not shot it yet as I have to wait 10 days just to have it in my hands, but my question is do I have to find used mags with the yellow follower or are the later mags with the black follower ok ??? I like to have at least 3 mags for every gun so all replys will be appreciated, Thank You

 

[nocents]

I believe the later mags with the black followers will work with no problems in your 4516-1....those have had the "tweeks" made by S&W already

 

[Catshooter]

Any 4516 mag, with any color follower will, in my experience, work in your pistol.


Cat

 

[larry169]

Ok, thanks guys, I just ordered 2 new factory mags from Midway yesterday, hopefully they'll work fine, the 8 reviews on their site all said they works flawlessly, I'll let you know after my first range outing. Thanks again

 

[Outrider]

Snagged two 4516s some time back...

Pardon my lack of diligence in posting, but I snagged two 4516s some time back...

More later -- with photos...

 

[boysandme]

4516-2

just found one of these at a gunshow, how do i find out what year this was made.