AJ
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Quite stylish....to each their own.
A CCW curiosity question
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Quite stylish....to each their own.
My impression is that this is a new conversation because of a technological advancement, namely that there is now a scope that can ride the recoil of a pistol slide. I have owned rifle scopes that you could not so much as carry to your truck without knocking it off zero! I could zero the scope to take the white out of the zero on the number 10 on the target at 300 yards with all three shots but by the time I got to the woods, couldn't hit a deer that was climbing the ladder to my tree stand to talk to me. (Buying a Leupold Scope with a Leupold mount fixed that problem.)
Now you're telling me that doohickey on the back of your pistol will hold zero for 2 rounds in a row? That's like tellin' me they can make a pistol frame out of plastic!
sigp220.45
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Its nothing new. In 1899 some old fart was slamming down his beer mug and yelling: SWING OUT CYLINDER!! JUST PUNCH EM OUT ONE AT A TIME LIKE PAPPY DID!
This place is dominated by folks my age (64) or older who don’t like anything new.
If you want to churn your own butter, ride a bike with a giant front wheel, wear a suit and fedora on a plane, or bite a stick while the local sawbones cuts off your goiter, have at it.
Luckily, many of the folks here are smart enough to weigh the advantages of something new and just maybe give it a try. It doesn’t matter, I guess. Tempus fugit.
This place is dominated by folks my age (64) or older who don’t like anything new.
If you want to churn your own butter, ride a bike with a giant front wheel, wear a suit and fedora on a plane, or bite a stick while the local sawbones cuts off your goiter, have at it.
Luckily, many of the folks here are smart enough to weigh the advantages of something new and just maybe give it a try. It doesn’t matter, I guess. Tempus fugit.
OP
I wasn't a member of this forum when 3 dot sights and 3 dot fiber optic sights were introduced. Were there as many varying opinions and name dropping in order to support one's opinion?
I can appreciate that the RDS can be a fantastic training option for introducing a new shooter to the sport, because on the surface, it appears as though the RDS gives the neophyte shooter a faster level of success, in training.
I can also appreciate that us experienced dinosaurs can be pretty set in our ways. We do what we think is best, based on our experience and expertise. Ultimately, when what we feel is the best option, it's failure will be a documented statistic. But what about the neophyte that doesn't have the experience or expertise to make an informed decision? In many cases, it's going to be a matter of "... roll the dice and take your chances"!
We know about accurate statistics, and statistics relevant to defensive shootings. Highly doubtful that anyone will keep track of successful self-defense shootings based on whether the defender was using irons or an RDS!
I think, that as the OP, we have to accept the reality whether the EDC with the RDS is right for ourselves, and hope that we don't find out when that time comes!
I can appreciate that the RDS can be a fantastic training option for introducing a new shooter to the sport, because on the surface, it appears as though the RDS gives the neophyte shooter a faster level of success, in training.
I can also appreciate that us experienced dinosaurs can be pretty set in our ways. We do what we think is best, based on our experience and expertise. Ultimately, when what we feel is the best option, it's failure will be a documented statistic. But what about the neophyte that doesn't have the experience or expertise to make an informed decision? In many cases, it's going to be a matter of "... roll the dice and take your chances"!
We know about accurate statistics, and statistics relevant to defensive shootings. Highly doubtful that anyone will keep track of successful self-defense shootings based on whether the defender was using irons or an RDS!
I think, that as the OP, we have to accept the reality whether the EDC with the RDS is right for ourselves, and hope that we don't find out when that time comes!
AJ
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So what are you saying? That some are not smart as others? Tried lots of new stuff and some things I liked and some I have not.
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I guess I have to ask the question.
Why would anyone want an electronic aiming device that uses batteries, on a concealed carry pistol?
I've had my dots no worky at the range a time or two. Dead battery. That's going to get you kilt in da streetz. Until they make dots as reliable as irons I won't be putting one on a carry pistol.
Anyone ever see a dot on a shotgun in competition? I doubt you ever will because things are just a little too fast for a dot.
High Plains Drifter _Faster Than You'll ever live to be - YouTube
Why would anyone want an electronic aiming device that uses batteries, on a concealed carry pistol?
I've had my dots no worky at the range a time or two. Dead battery. That's going to get you kilt in da streetz. Until they make dots as reliable as irons I won't be putting one on a carry pistol.
Anyone ever see a dot on a shotgun in competition? I doubt you ever will because things are just a little too fast for a dot.
High Plains Drifter _Faster Than You'll ever live to be - YouTube
This. An optic adds something else to hang or snag on a cc draw. For a range gun I guess they’re ok. I’ve had one on a Buckmark target that was stupid accurate, but I’ve never even considered one for a concealed piece. To ME it’s adding something else that could fail at the worst possible time. I can hit pretty well and consistently with the pieces I carry and have confidence in doing so. I’d recommend using those $$ to buy more ammo and spend serious time at the range.
AJ
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We need to make this a poll!
Reporter talking to old man on his 100th birthday. "I guess you have seen a lot of changes in your life".
Old man. "Yes and I have objected to every one".
Larry
Rotorhead1026
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Rotorhead1026
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Au contraire. I’m 69, and am experimenting with a GREEN dot. I insist on cowitnessing the iron sights on my IWI slim, in the event of an electronic failure. So far it’s been the best of both worlds.
AJ
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I've shot irons since I began shooting and carry only with irons.
I am not a fan of tacticool doo-dads and the like. To each their own.
The glass can break, the batteries can fail, and if all people train with is an RDS, they may be lost if and when it fails.
Lastly, at a realistic shooting distance, RDS doesn't seem useful, to me. I don't go through my life as if I'm playing call of duty, so YMMV. Ha.
I am not a fan of tacticool doo-dads and the like. To each their own.
The glass can break, the batteries can fail, and if all people train with is an RDS, they may be lost if and when it fails.
Lastly, at a realistic shooting distance, RDS doesn't seem useful, to me. I don't go through my life as if I'm playing call of duty, so YMMV. Ha.
Depending on circumstance you could find yourself in a non natural position having to use only your weak hand for defense. In that case I cannot see how a laser dot would not be an asset. My 649-2 has a Crimson Trace grip where the laser is activated by a simple squeeze of the hand. I would not be without it. I realize I have defined the exception but do not count it out.
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AJ
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Back in the late 1980's we taught weak hand shooting. We taught drawing the handgun and firing weak hand. We also taught one hand weak hand pump shotgun.
Super Trucker
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If you buy quality American RDS, all your arguments are defeated.
I've seen one window pop out in a class (first gen Trijicon) but he used his suppressor height sights the rest of the class and shipped the RDS sight out on Monday had it back one week later (mind you we are in MI. 20 miles from Trijicon, so others times might be different by location).
My gun now has a type 2 (second gen) RDS, I change the battery once a year and since I started with it in 2015, it has never had a dead battery. I've never seen a 2032 battery corrode so I'm not sure if that is possible but changing it once a year most likely prevents that also. It is on 24/7 unless I turn it off. I run two mags through it every training session with it off to keep my brain fresh on the antique sights.
Now the cheap Chinese sights guys buy, I see fail pretty often (at least half a dozen per year) in classes or competition.
Change takes commitment, RDS is not learned by picking one up and you're an expert. It took me about 1k draw strokes before the dot automatically appeared, then about another 1k rounds to get everything just right for carry purposes. Now I shoot much better using the RDS as do everyone else that put effort into learning it (except those with eye issues like astigmatism).
Just a couple months ago a citizen took out a terrorist inside a mall in Indiana that was intent on killing as many people as he could, from if I recall correctly 40 yards.
I can list dozens of citizen SD shootings that were more than the 2 shot 2 foot thing people always parrot.
Had the guy in Indiana only practiced at two feet because he didn't live his life like call of duty, there would have been many dead people that day (that guy didn't have an RDS, my point was the SD distance that you can not absolutely guarantee you will never be faced with).
When people parrot the garbage they read online while never trying to learn something first, it is a major disservice to the shooting community.
Color TV's were hated, toasters were hated, computers were hated, etc, etc, etc by those that refused to try them.
BTW: centerfire semi auto"s were referred to as tactical doo-dads by my grandfathers generation and look at where we are now.
Super Trucker
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Have you heard the saying that goes soming like two is one, one is none?
A couple classes per year and you know how to handle these situations.
Many classes in my area are 8 hours, $200-$250 and 300 to 500 rounds of ammo. I know people say, "that's expensive", but I look at it like car/home/medical insurance. I hope I never need it but if I do I'm glad I bought it.
My edc has a type 2 RMR, a streamlight tlr-2 and suppressor height sights.
That translates to an RDS, light/green laser and tall sights. With a real belt I carry that 18 hours a day with zero issue.
I carry that gun year round in all climates. I have a family member in Punta Gorda FL, I attend bike week in Datona, this year I went to the bike week in Sturgis SD. I used to drive truck and make delivers in most state's including TX, AZ, NM, LA, AL, MS. Point being I can carry a big gun in the south, in all seasons.
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