A CCW curiosity question

[Super Trucker]

Back in the late 1980's we taught weak hand shooting. We taught drawing the handgun and firing weak hand. We also taught one hand weak hand pump shotgun.

I took a one handed class here in MI a couple years ago (a DMI Performance class).
The guys with RDS were faster because using the RDS as a charging handle is faster/easier than using regular sights to cycle the slide for reloads or malfunction clearing.
My gun is very reliable, but it's mechanical so I/you/we/us have to always plan for failures.

As to your earlier post #75.
Buy a couple pair of these (see link below), an Alabama holster pocket holster cut for RDS and has a hook to keep holster in pocket while drawing and you can easily carry a shield with RDS in the front pocket. These pants/shorts look just like every other cargo short on the market but the crotch/rear end is made of some fancy name for pantyhose material, a breeze goes right through it, meaning they are not hot to wear.
I wear these every time I'm in Florida. I have a couple of these and the pants of the same model that are my casual pants/shorts. If you buy an Ares gear belt, you can carry the same belt gun I do with shorts or long pants.
I have several speedo shirts that I wear when in warm climates. They are similar to the pantyhose type material the shirts have, as long as it isn't a white shirt that isn't painted on, meaning it fits but not skin tight, I've had zero issues (the white color is see through once you sweat on them).

LA Police Gear Atlas[emoji769] Tactical Shorts

 

[AJ]

I took a one handed class here in MI a couple years ago (a DMI Performance class).
The guys with RDS were faster because using the RDS as a charging handle is faster/easier than using regular sights to cycle the slide for reloads or malfunction clearing.
My gun is very reliable, but it's mechanical so I/you/we/us have to always plan for failures.

As to your earlier post #75.
Buy a couple pair of these (see link below), an Alabama holster pocket holster cut for RDS and has a hook to keep holster in pocket while drawing and you can easily carry a shield with RDS in the front pocket. These pants/shorts look just like every other cargo short on the market but the crotch/rear end is made of some fancy name for pantyhose material, a breeze goes right through it, meaning they are not hot to wear.
I wear these every time I'm in Florida. I have a couple of these and the pants of the same model that are my casual pants/shorts. If you buy an Ares gear belt, you can carry the same belt gun I do with shorts or long pants.
I have several speedo shirts that I wear when in warm climates. They are similar to the pantyhose type material the shirts have, as long as it isn't a white shirt that isn't painted on, meaning it fits but not skin tight, I've had zero issues (the white color is see through once you sweat on them).

LA Police Gear Atlas[emoji769] Tactical Shorts

As to your first Paragraph..........Come by and I will teach you a few things. My bonafides are I have been shooting 62 years. I have qualified numerous times as Expert with rifle and pistol, we were not required to qualify every year due to budget constraints and operational missions. I was trained as a Combat Pistol Instructor and a Combat Shotgun Instructor at the Marine Corps Security Force Battalion (Fleet Anti-Terrorist Security Teams). I have trained with LA County Special Enforcement Bureau (read SWAT). I have attended the FBI Firearms Instructors Course. I shot IPSC for several years. I still keep my hand in by shooting three days a week in 2-3 hour sessions.

Clearing a weapon with a blockage should be instinctive and not have to be thought about, just done. I see many folks on the range standing and looking at their guns with a blank look on their faces when it does not operate and will probably do the same in a defensive situation. All guns are reliable until they do not work. Use a revolver if it fails to fire pull the trigger again and bring up a new round.

I am in Florida and if you come down stop by. Nice range six miles from the house for rifle, pistol and shotgun.......

Done here PM if you would like to continue

AJ

 

[AJ]

I took a one handed class here in MI a couple years ago (a DMI Performance class).
The guys with RDS were faster because using the RDS as a charging handle is faster/easier than using regular sights to cycle the slide for reloads or malfunction clearing.
My gun is very reliable, but it's mechanical so I/you/we/us have to always plan for failures.[/url]

I don't think I would be yanking on sights to chamber a round or clear a jam. Even one handed I can teach you at least three ways to chamber a round one handed in most autos. I learned it with an M1911.

 

[Super Trucker]

I don't think I would be yanking on sights to chamber a round or clear a jam. Even one handed I can teach you at least three ways to chamber a round one handed in most autos. I learned it with an M1911.

My edc slide has serrations milled into the sides and top so that helps but the RMR is the fastest.
The sight was milled with bosses and larger screws so it has taken the abuse this far. If it breaks there are still the regular sights and laser.
Especially in a SD situation speed is key.

 

[AJ]

My edc slide has serrations milled into the sides and top so that helps but the RMR is the fastest.
The sight was milled with bosses and larger screws so it has taken the abuse this far. If it breaks there are still the regular sights and laser.
Especially in a SD situation speed is key.

Like I posted PM me if you want to continue this..........No sense wasting mega bytes here on the forum.

Speed is the key?? Well aware of that as the gun was out of the holster and aimed with the slack taken up before I realized it.

 

[Chuck Edwards]

Just to add to the confusion…

I had the slide on one of my Beretta PX4s milled and added a dot sight (Holosun 507C). I’ve taken two classes with it and see the potential for increased accuracy and no loss in speed at close range. But, like a lot of my fellow geezers, I decided that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze after 50 years of shooting with irons and 40 years of concealed carry.

Those classes were done from concealment in the clothes I typically wear where I live in south Louisiana, usually cargo pants and an untucked, square-bottomed shirt. The dot sight made no difference in concealability using an IWB holster made for it, nor did it snag on anything. IMHO, folks who think it will have either never tried it or need to work on their draw from concealment.

 

[dave1918a2]

Practice, practice, practice!!

 

[John Patrick]

I have had two shots fired at me in anger, and I responded with one; he survived the wound that stopped him, and I aged 10 years in half a second.

I don't remember seeing any sights at all.

I’ve never had to use a handgun to save myself or anyone else, but I have had to use a rifle at ranges inside of 10 yards several times. Like you I don’t recall seeing the sights. But I don’t think that means I didn’t use them, just that I don’t recall using them. I believe I defaulted to training, and training had me using the sights “automatically.”

 

[John Patrick]

How many people honestly carry a concealed weapon with either optics/RDS? And if you do how do you carry them? Shoulder holster, IWB, OWB, pocket or what? 100% of the folks that I know that carry concealed weapons in my area are carrying a bare bones gun, mostly in pockets.

A lot of the folks here that have responded that are touting the optics/RDS and discussing holsters on belts and using them in competition. Where there is no need to conceal the weapon. A lot of these folks say that on their concealed weapons they have no optics/RDS.

Also one thing that I noticed when I went back are reread the posts on this thread. The question is about concealed weapons, not defensive weapons. I carry a concealed weapon on me, I have defensive weapons in my house. I do not carry my night stand gun around or my shotgun under the bed.

I often carry an Sig P365x with a RDS. Appendix in waistband, with shirt tucked in.

I also have and occasionally carry the original size P365.

There is no difference in carry with or without the optic attributable to the optic. As you would expect, the longer grip of the X requires a bit more attention to avoid printing.

I carry the original size when wearing a light weight pinpoint cotton oxford or light weight broadcloth dress shirt (and usually a blazer or suit) since I know I’ll be taking the blazer or suit jacket off.

The X works fine in other settings. Especially with a pinstripe or plaid shirt.

ETA: My bedside handgun is a full size auto with an RDS. But I’d be equally happy with the P365X as my bedside handgun.

 

[AJ]

Practice, practice, practice!!

I wonder where I have heard that before............