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wingriderz

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So not trying to sound like crusty ole fart. But when did it change where parents are not held responsible or accountable for lets say damages or crimes their minnior childern do. Oh I am feeling a bit crusty lol. Thoughts please.
 
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Good question you pose, Wingriderz.
And Cardboard is on the right path as well. But, in recent history (mid-1900's or so) children were held accountable to society by their parents for their indiscretions. Society also somewhat held mon/dad accountable for the actions of their children. Mom/dad usually made things right at the expense of the kids who did wrong. Often this included telling the authorities (police, school, whatever) to exercise punishment/penalty, and then the real punishment came "when your dad gets home"! This is the part missing these days it seems. Not only do schools literally tie the hands of the administration, but mom/dad seem to go to bat for their innocent little angels who can do no wrong. I know that most jurisdictions can hold parents responsible for the actions of a minor child, but this seems to have largely gone by the wayside.
I wish I knew what the solution is, but our norms have changed so much that I don't suspect we will see 'the old way' ever again. What worries me is 'where will this stop'? If we are not instilling accountability in our children, will our children instill it in theirs? Unlikely. Then what happens in several generations?
A friend and I were discussing our lives over a beer the other day. We are both mid-sixties. Our conclusion: We have lived during the best of times. We grew up with running water, paved roads, abundant food and energy, some (not really much) peace, no major depressions, didn't have to lock our homes (until sometime in the '70's), and the list goes on.
We also lived with people who had respect for other people and their 'stuff'. Unfortunately it does not seem that we are passing all of this on to our grandchildren.
On the bright side, I was looking into relocating a few years back, as in changing 'countries', not towns. I'm still here, because in my estimation the USA still offers the best game in town. Our freedoms and opportunities still abound.
Sorry that this got long winded. I know, I know, I sound like your grandfather did.
 
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The Ohio Revised Code says parents can be held accountable:

Parental Responsibility Laws in Ohio | Nolo.com

I agree. I think you will find many codes, and many revised in the last decade, to hold parents responsible for their minor children.
We as a society are making code/law to 'make' people do what they should do anyway, or should I say make them do what in the past was somewhat customary..... be responsible for their kids.
Making law is a late term attempt to alter behavior, and for the most part is relatively ineffective if the general population does not choose to adopt that behavior. Think "prohibition", how did that work out? The general population wasn't behind it. and it didn't fare well. Think 'pot', and the war on drugs. Hundreds of billions spent on an effort to alter the behavior of the population, and the results are dismal. Generally speaking, the majority seems to rule.
 
A friend and I were discussing our lives over a beer the other day. We are both mid-sixties. Our conclusion: We have lived during the best of times. We grew up with running water, paved roads, abundant food and energy, some (not really much) peace, no major depressions, didn't have to lock our homes (until sometime in the '70's), and the list goes on.
If you are your mid-sixties, you came of age in the late 50s and 60s. Do you remember what people in their 60s were saying back then about you and your generation? It wasn't very nice, generally.

And while you were lucky to have running water, etc.., you should remember how many others of our society weren't blessed as you were. The USA wasn't a rose garden for all of its citizens in the 50s.

So, I'm suggesting that you are falling into the grumpy old man trap--that things were better back then, that kids these days are lazy, that what is the world coming to. As you read history books you will find that every generation says the same things about the next, from before the time of Jesus to today.
 
The Ohio Revised Code says parents can be held accountable:

Parental Responsibility Laws in Ohio | Nolo.com

They absolutely can most everywhere, but as CAJUNLAWYER would be quick to tell us, getting a judgment is easy. Collecting is hard. Parents that let their children run around loose breaking and stealing stuff generally have nothing to collect from, and your judgment is just one more in a line of multiple . . .
 
They absolutely can most everywhere, but as CAJUNLAWYER would be quick to tell us, getting a judgment is easy. Collecting is hard. Parents that let their children run around loose breaking and stealing stuff generally have nothing to collect from, and your judgment is just one more in a line of multiple . . .

..Spot on..
 
I've heard for decades complaints about how the world is overrun with lawyers. For what it's worth, my observations have been that a large segment of the cases in the legal system, at least in the civil law section, involve negligence, unpaid debt and breach of contract. Therefore if people took it upon themselves to do their best, pay their bills and keep their word, it would probably put half the lawyers out of work.
 
A child of 60's / 70's I rember an english teacher older lady very classy demanded respect in classroom and got it. She often spoken about a pendulim effect . About how the english langauage was spoken.She would always remind us if we used bad grammar we would be looked down on.Wow would she be shocked today.
 
Just saw a news feed .Georgia is looking to arrest mother of a 13 year old. Car jacking , arson , robberie. Kid missed 30 days school so far. I say lock her up when they find her
 
Besides the other crimes on the increase in the Madison area, there has been a rash of car thefts mostly done by teens. Here the courts seem to believe in 2nd chances... 3rd chances.... 4th (well you get the idea).
More than 1 has been caught already wearing some monitoring jewelry. So parents (or guardian) have no say or control and a lax justice system has none; to keep it clean all I can say is it is very frustrating to see this continue to happen.

Not always teens that seem to get away with things here, but it can appear those in power hate to choose victims rights over a criminal's (sorry just my .02)
 
I've heard for decades complaints about how the world is overrun with lawyers. For what it's worth, my observations have been that a large segment of the cases in the legal system, at least in the civil law section, involve negligence, unpaid debt and breach of contract. Therefore if people took it upon themselves to do their best, pay their bills and keep their word, it would probably put half the lawyers out of work.

My father taught me to "Follow the money!" In 44 years in the apartment business and 22 of those years owning a 140 unit complex. We were in civil court one time that wasn't about people not paying rent or damages (or counter suing about deposit returns). That one person didn't like the air conditioning unit being outside his bedroom window! (all 70 first floor units had the A/C outside their windows, for 20 to 30 years before he moved in!) The Judge was very pissed and threw it out!

Back on topic! the vast majority of parents do a good job raising their kids and if needed, make good on the "Baseball through the window". The problem is that even if the percentage of "Bad Parents" stayed the same, the volume of people has almost doubled since "Wally and The Beaver!" I do believe the percentages of the bad have risen, but the majority are still good.

My brothers best friend in 1964 was the son of Columbus, Ohio's police chief. In Jr. High School, he was running a theft (shop lifting) group. And in the early 80's was the largest drug bust in Columbus history to date. His Dad never was told about the stealing! The arresting officers would let him loose, rather than be the cop that busted the Chief's son! Since it was dragging my brother down, my parents bought a small farm and got us 30 miles away. (that wouldn't be far enough today!)

The old saying "One bad apple, spoils the whole barrel!", well if your kid fall in with that bad apple- get him out of the barrel! My folks did, and it worked!

Ivan
 
My thoughts???

There has been a LOT of change in society in my lifetime. One of the biggies is that people used to stay married. My son has dozens of friends and I only know one with a mother and father at home.

Also one income was enough to run a home and mothers spent most of their time at home.

Also, people are assailed on all fronts to do what is good for somebody else, not for them.

People are desensitized to where death means nothing to them. I don't care if a person feels that way, just don't kill other people that don't want to live that way.

Caring only about yourself even at the expense of your family is more widespread.

That's probably enough, but you see my point.:(
 
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We also lived with people who had respect for other people and their 'stuff'.

There ya go. This is what's missing these days. No one cares anymore.

Sure, kids make their own decisions, no matter who raises them. But it all starts with the parents. If the kids never learn respect, discipline and manners at home from an early age on, who are they supposed to learn it from and when?

It's not getting better... I think it will only get worse, unfortunately.
 
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Just saw a news feed .Georgia is looking to arrest mother of a 13 year old. Car jacking , arson , robberie. Kid missed 30 days school so far. I say lock her up when they find her

Do you think locking up the mother will straighten out the kid? How about locking up the kid who's committing the crimes? Unless he committed all those crimes on the same day, the so called justice system has been playing catch and release with him.
 
The broken windows theory clearly shows that one reason for the continued decline in quality of life is the result of many people's attitude that "every generation has always said the kids were worse than them, it's always been that way."
I say: no. That's not true. As behavior gets worse in a neighborhood, a city, a state or a nation the acceptable level of chaos goes up.
Just keep looking away....nothing to see here. Careful not to stumble over the trash in the street...or trip over the bodies.
 
We had a local church vandalized by a group of 9 and 10 yrs olds. They did over 10 thousand dollars damage to the church sanctuary and the parents had to pay for the repairs. They paid up but the minister said he did not get one apology from any of the parents. That there says it all.
 
We had kids destroy all kinds of stuff on at our work over the summer. Smashed over a dozen windshields. Some of the cars are expensive and you can't replace with a $200 aftermarket windshield. 2 VW W8s were $2,000 ea. Some old classics. Kicked in doors... just general destruction. Nothing stolen. We have cameras with night vision like capabilities but this was at night and they were to far away to make out faces. All we could do was make police reports. Until one night when one kid walked close to the camera. We called the cops and the officer was very proactive. He took the tape to a few high schools and showed it to the faculty. In one school the janitor recognized one of the kids. Gave name and from there the cop found the parents. Turned out the leader was friends with another kid who's in jail because he set fire to a house a year ago. The house was actually behind our property. The police tracked down all the kids and their parents. The mother of the leader said to lock him up because he's nothing but trouble. She's tried everything and nothing has worked. The only thing that hasn't been tried was jail

We've had 50+ year old men arrested on our property for trying to steel catalitic converters. These are people born in the 50s during the golden days when everyone was moral and correct!

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It has always bothered my that when a minor commits a crime that there name is withheld from the public.

To me it shows a lack of accountability from the public side of things.

I do believe it greatly starts at home.

I grew up in a very small town. Is was not out of the ordinary for neighbors to call each other to report what they may or may not have observed.

Any violations at home brought swift justice for me.
 
Back in the 70s I Had this very nice neighbor Betty She had 6 boys and one girl I remember. I recall one day the Sheriff came to her house on a child abuse claim... The Youngest son called the Sheriff dept claiming that his mother was beating him and wouldn't let him out of the house.. Betty had disciplined the young boy for stealing a few items from the local store and the owner asked that Sheriff.. Betty Smacked the boys butt a few times not even hard enough to leave a mark and grounded him for a week... the Son doing called the cops to report being abused...
The Sheriff found no abuse and dismissed the claim as unfounded. Betty never disciplined the kids again.
Today that young man is sitting in a state prison for robbery and theft of property and when he's released he's going to a nice Federal prison for Stealing Aluminum Boats from local reservoirs, cutting them up and selling for scrap.



Rob
 
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