Any money in the gun business

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My brother, who is very gun knowledgeable, whats to open a gun shop in central florida and is looking for a financial partner He wants to focus on buying and selling used guns.

Is their any money to be made in the business and what are the speed bumps?

Thx
 
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A few years back there was one gunshop in St Cloud and of course the Walmart. Now there are a dozen. A couple have great location, are clean and new. Judging by the traffic, they are eating a lot of Ramen. If'n your brother really wants to make a living with used guns, a pawnbroker FFL (I don't remember the type #2? maybe) would be a better course. Folks pawn grandpa's old Colt for $100 and never come back for it. Just a thought. There are also a dozen pawnshops within 10 miles of the house. Joe
 
The major problem at this time is the non-availability of good used guns for stocking merchandise. I was in a local pawn shop that has a pretty good stock of guns usually,and all the handguns in the case except 1 were NEW. A friend has a small (one man) gun shop and his major complaint is finding used guns to sell. He routinely drives over 1000 miles looking for merchandise.
 
I always see nice used guns out of Florida for sale on the forums and gubroker.

The two LGS I frequent are set up as pawn shops but but pretty much just do guns. That is good because you can do other stuff if you know it. And the best part, you'll have tweakers bringing in nice stuff and don't know what is is, or some kid pawning grandpas Winchester or want to trade for an AR.

They say there is hardly any money in new guns; there is much more money in ammo and accessories.

The key with used stuff is buying it at the right price and turning it over quickly.

With the bad economy, hoarding, people holding on to stuff, it'd be a tough business to get into right now.
 
I doubt the gun stores around here are eating steak. One way to do it is to have new and used guns and gun related merchandise, have a gun range and offer smith services. Regarding the range, you could offer memberships.

Another way would be to have a Pawn and Gun store.

Either way, getting stock (Guns and ammo) is a headache right now.
 
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My brother, who is very gun knowledgeable, whats to open a gun shop in central florida and is looking for a financial partner He wants to focus on buying and selling used guns. Is their any money to be made in the business and what are the speed bumps? Thx

I would think it is a very tough business to break into if you have to make a living from it, especially if you have or want to have a family. If the person starting the business has to borrow start up capital, it becomes almost impossible to make a go of it. I would think it could take years to get to the point such a business was actually showing much of a steady profit. Now a well established business, that is well run and managed by a knowledgeable person can probably generate a living.

I am not saying it cannot be done, but the odds are very much against such an operation succeeding. A better solution would be for the person to get their FFL and begin a small home based business handling transfers at a low fee, locating guns for friends and others, providing outstanding customer service until they build up some clients. They could also spend time buying and selling from gun shows, local stuff, and the national gun auction houses. This type of business could be run for years while working a regular job and it would be a good way to ease into the business and get some first hand knowledge of what will be involved and to get some real information if a profit can ever be made by them.

Remember no matter how much someone knows about guns if they don't have a good head for business and for customer relations, they will fail commercially in any type of gun business.

I would certainly not finance someone else trying to start up such a business, even if he were my brother, at least not if I ever expected to get that money back. Bankruptcy is most often the result of such businesses and that means most if not all investment capital is lost.

For someone retired with a fixed income already and plenty of start up money it could be a lucrative and fun hobby.

Also if you have to ask such a question in this forum you don't know enough to be financing such a business.
 
A close friend of mine opened a small gun and sporting goods shop about 7 years ago.Basically a family run operation.I help him out from time to time.I work for free cause he's like a little brother to me.He makes it up to me with some freebies(ammo,etc.)Even gave me a brand new M&P40c a few years ago for Christmas because of the hours I had put in for him with no pay cash wise.He still can't quit his day job.It's a pretty tough business.It is paying for itself but really isn't putting much money in his pocket.If your brother has another source of income he might be okay but it's probably not going to make him rich.
 
Lots of folks are knowledgeable and HAVE THE FINANCES, but they

ARE NOT looking to go into the FIREARMS BUSINESS
 
This works great around here

I doubt the gun stores around here are eating steak. One way to do it is to have new and used guns and gun related merchandise, have a gun range and offer smith services. Regarding the range, you could offer memberships.

Another way would be to have a Pawn and Gun store.

Either way, getting stock (Guns and ammo) is a headache right now.


My nearest LGS is run this way. The range is cheap to use but people buy stuff all the time when they go through. The place is usually busy or crowded any time of day. It's open until 8pm 6 days/week. They don't have any oppressive rules like having to buy your ammo there and stuff. The whole thing is just a big invitation to shoot and spend money.
 
A better solution would be for the person to get their FFL and begin a small home based business handling transfers at a low fee, locating guns for friends and others, providing outstanding customer service until they build up some clients. They could also spend time buying and selling from gun shows, local stuff, and the national gun auction houses.

A man I know locally started out this way, when he retired, as more of a hobby really, and a way to buy/sell/trade on his own license. He had a very nice little shop in his back yard (made out of a yard building, actually, but a very nice setup...heat, a/c, etc.) He didn't keep inventory on hand, and dealt via the internet, local contacts, etc. He did stock some ammo, parts, etc, but very few guns on hand.

Recently, he decided to open an actual gun shop, and he is regretting that. He told me yesterday that when his lease is up in November, he is either going back to his internet only business from his home, or go out of business all together, since he's not making enough money to pay his rent on the shop.

The reasons: for one thing, his shop is in a small town, so there isn't a lot of walk-in traffic. His inventory is low, so when someone does come in, there isn't a lot to choose from. He said that it's tough for him to get guns from the distributors, since they sell first to the bigger gun shops, and in some cases, won't sell at all unless they are an established stocking dealer for the brand (which requires a certain volume of purchases and sales.) When he does get a gun in to sell, it usually sells very quickly, as soon as he puts the word out to his contacts...but like he was telling me yesterday, even that is iffy. He finally got in two Shields and two Glock 19s, based on expressed interest from his customers, and the Shields sold the same day he got them. The Glocks have been sitting there (his customers bought elsewhere, while waiting on him) for a while now. His prices are competitive, too, at least with other shops I have seen around here.

The other factor is that, besides being in a small town, his primary interest and client base is cowboy action shooting. Most walk-in traffic isn't into cowboy action shooting, or at most they may be looking for ammo. The only shops in the area (Dallas) that seem to be thriving are the really big, high inventory/high volume shops.

My wife has frequently encouraged me to open a gun shop. If I won the lottery, I would probably buy one, and run it as a hobby. If I wanted to make a living, and needed the income, I wouldn't.
 
I would hate to try to run a public gun range.

In this litigious society that we have... keeping the street "riff raff" out seems onerous... but not even as bad as dealing with the consequences of letting them in.

Half the time that I go to the local indoor ranges... I eyeball whose on the range and do an about face.
 
I have a friend who has had a pawn shop for years. It's very tough right now, even for established businesses. His biggest problem right now is getting stock to sell. He deals in used and new guns, and has a decent stock of used long guns right now, but very few handguns at all. All the wholesalers are having trouble getting stock, and because he's small the bigger dealers get priority on the few that they can get.

Businesses depend on cash flow to stay in business. Without inventory to sell, there is no flow. The interest from the pawn is keeping him afloat, but he's not really making money. He's selling some of his personal collection to help make ends meet.

If he can start slowly in a low cost/low rent building, and grow it slowly without borrowing money, he might make it. It's not going to be easy, and he's not to going to make money quickly. I agree with doing it as a pawn shop. People will often pay the interest each month, and keep it going for a long time without ever getting the item out of pawn. They will sometimes pay the value of the piece several times over just with the interest they pay.
 
And don't forget about government jacking with the 2A and FFLs. You never know when suddenly you may have to acquire outlandish insurance or security systems just to satisfy some bureaucrat.
 
I've been doing it about 10 years now, a few lessons learned:

The money is in accessories, for every Dollar you make off a firearm, you'll make Ten off of ammo/holsters/cleaning kits ect...

Know your product, NOTHING will turn me away from a gun shop like lack of knowledge about what they're selling.

Know your clientel, are you catering to hunters? LEOs? Tactical types?
Case in point, I deal with a lot of LEOs, but need a good selection for hunters too.
Stock accordingly.
And along with that, LOCATION!
A shop in a small town will have different requirements than one in a big city (and location in a big city will also matter).

Keep focused, stick with the basics, I've seen more than one shop fail because they tried to be too cutting edge.

Develope a client base, make them want to come to you.
One time sales are fine, but regulars will pay the bills.

KEEP YOUR WORD!
This is a big one, a bad review will run around the town before a good review even gets it's boots on.

Lower prices, I'd rather sell 10 for a 2 Dollar profit each, than 1 for a 10 Dollar profit.

Live in the now, I've seen shops fail because they were too busy trying to be the next Midway while not even being able to pay their current bills.

It's hard, frustrating, with long hours and lots of pit falls, but it can be done.
 
I hope there is a little money to be made.

A long time friend and I partnered up and are getting ready to open one. We had our visit from the ATF yesterday and everything went well. We hope to be open by September. We bought a large building and almost have the gun shop area ready.

We will also have an indoor handgun range, 6 lanes 25 yards long. We have started construction on that area. And then directly above the handgun range will be a 25 yard archery range.

We are located in a semi large city with some competition for gun sales, but there are no indoor ranges.

I'm retireing in September and will run the shop, my partner is big into realestate and rentals.

Wish us luck.
 
I'd probably wait until the background check law is rammed up our... through. That will make FFL's boatloads of cash with absolutely no outlay. Gun banners are re working this as we speak. Political action cuts both ways though. I had a 01 FFL from '82-'95. When Reagan closed the NFA registry to new builds in 1986, he de-regulated ammo as in no more bound book. When that portion of the business went away so did a great source of income. I made $5K a year in one situation, off 4 local guys that loaded their own from new components I supplied. If I remember correctly, brass and primers went in the book, I don't think powder and certainly not bullets. I was my UPS guy's least favorite person. Business is uncertain and firearms have the added disadvantage of political insanity to contend with. Good luck. I sure don't miss sending in that sales tax check every month. Joe
 
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