Are these grips correct for this 4th change

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Just bought this 1905 4th at a local gun show all matching numbers except I can find numbers on the stock maybe some very faint penseling but not legible sn395XXX Which I thought was to new for gold medallion stocks any help would be thankful
 
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Greetings, I agree that the gold medalion stocks on your gun are too early. I have sn.473xxx, shipped in 1924 and it has non medalin stocks. The gold medalion was deleted in 1920. If you get a shipping date on your gun,and it is before 1920, the grips could be original.

Richard
 
It is a good possibility this gun shipped in 1920, and the stocks could be original. The shift to non-medallion stocks with the convex stock circle started that year, but some gold medallion stocks still in inventory were used in 1920. There is almost never a stark shift on a particular date or serial number, since parts in the bin are used up until they are gone.
 
Thank you Richard and Jack there is a chance they are original, I think I'll keep it at that, the gun probably don't justify the cost of a letter
 
Take a look at the fit all the way around the butt. If the stocks fit exactly perfect they are most likely original. Usually a gun with grips that were put on after the fact will have spots or areas that do not match up perfectly, they will be close but from that time period all original grips match and fit perfectly. I think they are original as they seem to fit perfect in the pictures. Very nice gun indeed! The large gold medallion are probably my favorite of the service stock styles. Just elegant looking to me.
 
My 4th change was made in 1916 and has those stocks, numbered to the gun. S/N is 307xxx.
 
Like sodacan,
My 4th change was shipped in February, 1920 and has those stocks, numbered to the gun. S/N is 329659. Yes, the penciled numbers are very difficult to read. So my opinion is your stocks are correct.
Mike
 
316648 was made in September 1919 (heat treatment) and 406301 was reportedly made in April 1922 (flat top strap/square rear sight change order). I would think 395xxx would be closer to late 1921 (manufactured) and would likely have shipped with the non-medallion stocks, BUT, never say never!

BTW - Those are my favorite M&P stocks!
 
another gun with serial number 39520X shipped in 1922. I would agree that your revolver would have likely shipped after the change in stock design. Those stocks show much more wear than the gun unless there was a re-bluing done at some time during its life. Is there a remote possibility that the factory found a set of gold medallion stocks two years after the switch to plain convex stocks, probably not. A factory letter might answer the question, but might not. Look at the pencil marks with different light sources at different angles, with magnification and you might identify a couple of the numbers??

Over 100,000 K frame 38 M&Ps were shipped in 1920 alone and during the early 20s, they were hot sellers and went out the door as fast as they were made. By the mid-1920s sales slowed and almost stopped after the Stock Market Crash of 1929. Still, about 300,000 38 M&Ps were shipped in the 1920s. The last revolver documented in the SWCA database to ship in 1921 was around 390,000. Bottom line is that it would be unlikely that there were any of these stocks left after over a 100,000 went out the door in 1920.

The attached image shows the stocks that would most likely have been original to your revolver.
 

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Thanks youall for the input, the grips fit perfectly, i tried everything to read the sn on the grips from a loop to taking pictures with my phone and straching it out, different lighting and angles, nothing. I bought the gun because I liked the grips, on second thoughts a my get it letted thanks again.
Steve
 
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