Ball and Caps?

[Ivan the Butcher]

Haven't fire my C&B revolvers in a while, I coated the chamber mouths with shortening, prevented chain fires, cleaning was just a matter of wiping it down.

In warm weather the shortening melts and slimes up the holsters! To prevent this I do either of two things. I have a paste lube I make out of 50/50 mix of shortening and paraffine and fill the chamber mouths for normal shooting. Or I put 1 or 2 Oxyoke lubed felt cards under the bullet. This works better for long term loading as it doesn't get full of grit and then get fired down the bore!

Ivan

 

[Erich]

I also need to get back out with them. I find them a hassle to shoot during the ten-minute relays at the city range, so I might need to figure out how to get a solid loading table set-up to shoot them out into the boonies.

 

[old tanker]

A Euroarms stainless steel version of the 1858 Remington, an Uberti 1851 Navy, an an Uberti 1860 Army comprise my battery of cap and ball revolvers. They have swallowed great quantities of 3F over the years and the flame, the smoke, and smell of Crisco bring joy.

The most fun, is after all that time, the hundred yard gong is pretty well doped out. Just quietly set up on the bench next to the kid in the black Perfection T-shirt doing seven yard mag dumps into his zombie target.

Wait for the pause, then, while he is stuffing magazines, ring the gong five or six times. Sometimes, they are curious...

 

[growr]

Clean up is no big deal......some hot soapy water, run a brush through it, rinse with boiling water, air hose and done.

I frequently shoot 1860 Army clones in SASS matches and have no problem running a 6 stage match with no malfunctions.

Randy

 

[29aholic]

I use wonder lube over the chambers.
I clean BP guns with a mix of Murphy's oil soap and distilled water.

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[tndrfttom]

I can't find real black powder locally any more so have had to go to Triple 7.

 

[joe44va]

Ball and Cap

Vinegar will remove bluing.

And case hardening coloring, all in time. I use Murphy's oil soap in a spray bottle and hot water rinse, which helps thing dry faster. I'm sorry, but I don't see the advantage to Windex.

 

[6string]

Demonstration video made for my shooting club.

YouTube

This is GREAT! I have been wanting to shoot MLAIC style for years. There seems to be little interest stateside in this particular type of BP shooting. Certainly nothing closely local. The Pietta and Uberti stuff seems less than ideal for this type of precision, at least out of the box. Soft lockwork parts, poor tolerances, etc...
I understand Pedersoli uses a Uberti frame as their basic platform, but I'm not positive.
But, I have never seen a Pedersoli, nor a Hege or the now discontinued Feinwerkbau Rogers & Spencer. Cabelas, despite being a Pedersoli dealer, won't special order one for me, now that they've been taken over by Bass.
Nick, any comments on the relative merits? I'd like to know before plunking down a grand for something sight unseen!

Nice shooting!

Jim

 

[6string]

Anyone shoot a ball and cap revolver?

This is my .44 caliber Remington and I enjoy taking it to the range.

-Jay

Hi Jay,
Is that an original?

 

[JayFramer]

Hi Jay,
Is that an original?

No, an Uberti.

 

[Kurusu]

This is GREAT! I have been wanting to shoot MLAIC style for years. (The Olympic pistol events have been emasculated, the bullseye scene is red dot-1911 oriented, so there's not much left which combines precision and martial arms.) There is very little interest stateside. Certainly nothing closely local. The Pietta and Uberti stuff seems worthless for this type of precision, at least out of the box. Soft lockwork parts, poor tolerances, etc...
I understand Pedersoli uses a Uberti frame as their basic platform, but I'm not positive.
But, I have never seen a Pedersoli, nor a Hege or the now discontinued Feinwerkbau Rogers & Spencer. Cabelas, despite being a Pedersoli dealer, won't special order one for me, now that they've been taken over by Bass.
Nick, any comments on the relative merits? I'd like to know before plunking down a grand for something sight unseen!

Nice shooting!

Jim

MLAIC is great. And there are a lot of disciplines in which to compete.

I have competed in:

"Mariete" (for replica revolvers at 25 meters, there is a separate event for originals the discipline is called Colt and you can compete in both if you have both originals and replicas)

"Donald Malson" (for revolver at 50 meters there are separate events an for originals and for replicas. You will have to use the same revolver you used either in "Mariete" or in "Colt")

"Kuchenreuter" (for percussion single shot pistols with rifled barrels. There is an original and a replica event)

"Comminazo" (for flintlock pistols smoothbore only at 25 meters, again 2 separate events available)

"Vetterli" (for percussion rifles at 50 meters it has to be a front loader Sharps type rifles are not accepted. Again originals and replicas events available)

I started competing with a Uberti, Pedersoli is better and I don't think thy use an Uberti frame, the Uberti grip is smaller.

Comparison

The Rogers & Spencers from Feinwerkbau are also very good.

If I was in the States I would try to get originals. You can find Rogers & Spencers in very good condition (they dominate the "Colt" match) because they were never issued.

 

[6string]

No, an Uberti.

Wow, Looks good. The finish has a nice tone, and I don't see the usual smattering of proof marks.
Did you do any work with on it?

 

[6string]

MLAIC is great. And there are a lot of disciplines in which to compete.

I have competed in:

"Mariete" (for replica revolvers at 25 meters, there is a separate event for originals the discipline is called Colt and you can compete in both if you have both originals and replicas)

"Donald Malson" (for revolver at 50 meters there are separate events an for originals and for replicas. You will have to use the same revolver you used either in "Mariete" or in "Colt")

"Kuchenreuter" (for percussion single shot pistols with rifled barrels. There is an original and a replica event)

"Comminazo" (for flintlock pistols smoothbore only at 25 meters, again 2 separate events available)

"Vetterli" (for percussion rifles at 50 meters it has to be a front loader Sharps type rifles are not accepted. Again originals and replicas events available)

I started competing with a Uberti, Pedersoli is better and I don't think thy use an Uberti frame, the Uberti grip is smaller.

Comparison

The Rogers & Spencers from Feinwerkbau are also very good.

If I was in the States I would try to get originals. You can find Rogers & Spencers in very good condition (they dominate the "Colt" match) because they were never issued.

Thank you for the kindness of your reply. MLAIC have a well thought out classification system for their matches. Interesting that you suggest going for originals stateside, as I've heard that especially for the single shot events, originals in Europe are a relatively good buy.
The one Hege Remington replica I saw advertised sold pretty close ($2000) to what an original Rogers & Spencer in good, shootable condition often costs. Original Colts seem to be a poor choice, given some of the competitive shortcomings and very high cost. Although the MLAIC open top revolver class does level the field a bit.
It's good to know that someone active in this interesting field has a good presence on the forum.

Thanks again,
Jim

 

[S&WsRsweet]

Again the forum members here have far exceeded the other gun forums on a subject other than S&W brand firearms. You guys truly never cease to bring it .Oh yea and your gun and shootings pictures are great also.

 

[JayFramer]

Again the forum members here have far exceeded the other gun forums on a subject other than S&W brand firearms. You guys truly never cease to bring it .Oh yea and your gun and shootings pictures are great also.

I agree.

Glad to see some like to shoot the ball and cap revolvers. Some also appear to like cap and ball revolvers, too!

Thinking my next gun will be a .36 caliber Navy. Should make a good rabbit pistol.

 

[Andyd]

....
But, I have never seen a Pedersoli, nor a Hege or the now discontinued Feinwerkbau Rogers & Spencer. ...

Nice shooting!

Jim

Hege is the German importer for Uberti for many decades. I bought a Hege Uberti 1862 Reb Confederate Army back in 1976 and played and shot a lot with it. I gave it to my youngest son, who never shot it since but my .36 Navy is also stamped Original Hege Uberti. The Remington is made by Armi San Paolo and seems to hold up well.




a.Open Top Revolvers | HEGE Jagd & Sport

 

[Neversink n Klapperthal]

this has rekindled my interest again

 

[brucev]

Re: Kerusu. Video. Outstanding! Very excellent in every respect. Sincerely. bruce.

 

[Kurusu]

Re: Kerusu. Video. Outstanding! Very excellent in every respect. Sincerely. bruce.

I thank you. Both in my name (the mere actor) and in the name of my fellow shooter Pereira Mateus, who actually made and posted the video on youtube.

 

[RudyN]

That is a very good video. I have several reproduction cap and ball revolvers along with an original 1858 Remington Revolver and an original 1864 Burnside Carbine. I like to shoot the reproductions, but have not shot the originals.


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