agksimon
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They may not be target pistols and I am a bullseye shooter, but I have no problem hitting 8" diameter plates at 15 yards and even some at 20-25 yards. I am shocked at how accurate this little BG2.0 is.
BG2.0 Misaligned Slide Rails
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They may not be target pistols and I am a bullseye shooter, but I have no problem hitting 8" diameter plates at 15 yards and even some at 20-25 yards. I am shocked at how accurate this little BG2.0 is.
LVSteve
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It's a real thing. Buddy fitted a set of XS sights to his Glock 23 and was complaining he was having major Can't Hit ..Stuff (CHS) problems. He was a way more experienced shooter than me at the time. I went with him to the range and he demonstrated with a shotgun like group. Then he said, "You have a go". I promptly put five rounds into a 1.5" group at seven yards without much trouble. "Damn, that means it's me," he said gloomily.
I just received my Huntpal Rapid Shooting Rest. It is absolutely perfect for my next range visit. I will be testing my BG2 and confirming what I saw when my POA was hitting left and low.
The 3 feet have an adjustable diameter and it has a 7.5" to 15" height adjustment.
I'm sure it will be one of my very best hole-punching toys!
I'm kicking my butt for why I've waited so long to buy one!
The 3 feet have an adjustable diameter and it has a 7.5" to 15" height adjustment.
I'm sure it will be one of my very best hole-punching toys!
I'm kicking my butt for why I've waited so long to buy one!
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My LCP max is back in the carry rotation .. the LCP design has been around since 2008 and I have had zero issues with mine
Got a notice today that S&W has created a shipping label so the warranty work must be complete. Hopefully tomorrow I'll find out if it's being shipped to my home or the lgs. I hope it's going to the lgs, that would mean it's a new one. If it's addressed to my house then maybe they tried to straighten the rails? Hopefully it's not like last time when they added a few drops of oil to the slide and shipped it back.
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My BG 2.0 is now at S&W for warranty service. Frankly, I don't know what I'm going to get back but it will have to prove itself very worthy before it goes back into the EDC rotation.
Tell me, RussellJ, how long was it at S&W for this particular service? Thanks.
Tell me, RussellJ, how long was it at S&W for this particular service? Thanks.
I shipped it out on jan 6 and got the notification email from fedex today. Got another email from fedex this evening saying they have picked it up and it should be delivered to my house on Wednesday.
Man, I really hope they worked on those slide rails this time.
Man, I really hope they worked on those slide rails this time.
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Update on rail alignment:
I'm about 100 rounds through my BG2.
I just measured with a straight edge the angle and parallel of the 4 front rail contacts and the two rear rail contacts. They are now nearly parallel.
The two rear rails are still about 0.015" higher than the 4 front contacts. There is visible shiny wear nearly equal on the 4 front contacts.
The shiny wear area on the two rear contacts indicates the back of the slide is hitting at the front of rails. I can also see wear areas on the sides of rails.
The shiny wear areas are increasing so it appears there is some "breaking in" going on.
The photo doesn't quite show the shiny surfaces of the contacts surfaces.
So far, it is shooting great with zero failures. I need to drift the front sight a tad more to the left to get the POA and POI closer.
I'm about 100 rounds through my BG2.
I just measured with a straight edge the angle and parallel of the 4 front rail contacts and the two rear rail contacts. They are now nearly parallel.
The two rear rails are still about 0.015" higher than the 4 front contacts. There is visible shiny wear nearly equal on the 4 front contacts.
The shiny wear area on the two rear contacts indicates the back of the slide is hitting at the front of rails. I can also see wear areas on the sides of rails.
The shiny wear areas are increasing so it appears there is some "breaking in" going on.
The photo doesn't quite show the shiny surfaces of the contacts surfaces.
So far, it is shooting great with zero failures. I need to drift the front sight a tad more to the left to get the POA and POI closer.
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Great! That little device is very handy at the range and gave me an instant reality check on how actual accurate my pistols are shooting. I feel like a dummy that I didn't buy one and use it sooner.
Well. When I sent the gun in I included all the info that I posted on here, descriptions and pics. I'm pretty sure they understood what I was having issue with.
The paperwork that was returned with my gun was interesting. There was a hand written note "attn: Paul G, second time in for the same issue, slide rails misaligned.". There was a Repair Order completion sheet showing the comments, "The slide rails do not line up", and, "Slide is gritty when racked".
So guess how they tried to fix the problem with the frame and rail alignment? They replaced the barrel. smh
The paperwork that was returned with my gun was interesting. There was a hand written note "attn: Paul G, second time in for the same issue, slide rails misaligned.". There was a Repair Order completion sheet showing the comments, "The slide rails do not line up", and, "Slide is gritty when racked".
So guess how they tried to fix the problem with the frame and rail alignment? They replaced the barrel. smh
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LVSteve
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So the rails are still off? How the heck is it supposed to shoot straight.
Yep, rails still appear untouched.
I noticed they drifted the rear sight to the right and sent me a paper target with 5 holes in it. If the repair guy was able to get the gun to fire 5 bullets in a row with no malfunctions then maybe they did fix something. It would not perform that well when I first bought it. I'll have to try it and see.
Last night I tried racking the slide without the barrel and recoil spring, takes a little over four pounds on my digital scale to pull it full aft. And the right side of the lug on the front of the slide where the recoil spring goes is still dragging on the frame (wear marks are visible in the pic)
But again, I need to try shooting it. It might function fine now.
I noticed they drifted the rear sight to the right and sent me a paper target with 5 holes in it. If the repair guy was able to get the gun to fire 5 bullets in a row with no malfunctions then maybe they did fix something. It would not perform that well when I first bought it. I'll have to try it and see.
Last night I tried racking the slide without the barrel and recoil spring, takes a little over four pounds on my digital scale to pull it full aft. And the right side of the lug on the front of the slide where the recoil spring goes is still dragging on the frame (wear marks are visible in the pic)
But again, I need to try shooting it. It might function fine now.
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But again, I need to try shooting it. It might function fine now.
I sincerely hope so, RussellJ, I really do.
I should have my BG 2.0 back today or tomorrow. I will post a report on its functioning this weekend as well as my extensive contacts with personnel at S&W in Maryville, TN.
I sincerely hope so, RussellJ, I really do.
I should have my BG 2.0 back today or tomorrow. I will post a report on its functioning this weekend as well as my extensive contacts with personnel at S&W in Maryville, TN.
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The paperwork is abbreviated and cryptic. However, it could be read to mean that you thought that the slide rails were misaligned, but that the gun is not designed to "line up" the way you think it is supposed to be aligned. That would be different than saying that they agree with you but did not change the alignment. All you can do is try the gun and see what happens. Best of luck!
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I didn't like the front of the slide dragging on the frame. I took some sandpaper to it. Had to remove surprisingly little material from inside the frame to get the clearance needed. It cut the force required to rack the down by about 90%. It was still dragging on the slide rails so I put some water soluble valve lapping compound on them and worked the slide. After washing that stuff off and hitting it with some CLP this thing is Buttery Smooth.
Loaded 8 rounds in both the 10 and 12 round magazine and went out to the range. First shots, free hand, 7 yards, 8" gong, Fiocci 90 grain jhp. 15 of 16 rang the gong. No failures. Slide locked back on the last round of both mags.
Loaded 8 rounds in both the 10 and 12 round magazine and went out to the range. First shots, free hand, 7 yards, 8" gong, Fiocci 90 grain jhp. 15 of 16 rang the gong. No failures. Slide locked back on the last round of both mags.
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agksimon
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If this was a two grand bullseye gun, I'd expect machining perfection. For the four bills it cost, I don't mind doing a little bit of smithing to get it to run better. I enjoy tinkering with them and to me, that's half the fun. Good job on yours and I learned something today.
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I agree. Part of the enjoyment of this hobby is learning how these things work and being hands-on. Any hobby I get into I'm usually deep into it and past my hip waders quickly.
My $200 KelTec P-17 is my favorite range toy and I spent about 30 minutes smoothing the rail contacts with a finger nail board. They were surprisingly rough and not formed precisely.
I can't sing and I can't dance but I'm lucky to be very handy at fixing things.
The experience I've gained from owning this BG2 is the silver lining on the dark cloud S&W released with this gun.
I've experienced new aftermarket product manufacturers like Muddy River Tactical, Talon Grips, XS Sights, and Galloway Precision. Those companies are first class in their products and especially their customer service.
S&W should take a hard look at how those firearm industry companies operate. Extraordinary Customer Service is not that difficult to create.
"The best customer service is if the customer doesn't need to call you, doesn't need to talk to you. It just works." ~Jeff Bezos
Pisgah
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This thread has been the auto pistol equivalent of "Is my revolver cracked?" when someone finally notices the seam around the side plate.
Quit looking for problems in your guns folks, and try just shooting them...
Quit looking for problems in your guns folks, and try just shooting them...
Got about a hundred rounds though it now. Three different brands of ammo. No issues. Plus it seems like I can shoot it more accurately than my lcp.
With the new barrel, fixing the slide to frame interference and getting the slide rails smoothed out looks like the only thing left to fiddle with is the extractor. Picking up the spent brass is an adventure. This thing throws brass everywhere. Forward, backward, left, right, straight up. But, it's shooting reliably so I think I'll wait on that for now. I'll just enjoy shooting it for a while.
Thanks for all the help guys
With the new barrel, fixing the slide to frame interference and getting the slide rails smoothed out looks like the only thing left to fiddle with is the extractor. Picking up the spent brass is an adventure. This thing throws brass everywhere. Forward, backward, left, right, straight up. But, it's shooting reliably so I think I'll wait on that for now. I'll just enjoy shooting it for a while.
Thanks for all the help guys
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That was my plan after I viewed a dozen rave reviews on YouTube.
After opening the box and listing "problems" that S&W so blatantly included, I fixed it myself, THEN I tried "shooting" it.
I really like my little BG2. It's really a damn shame that Smith & Wesson doesn't like it as much.
I'm liking it better all the time. S&W did a great job of design and engineering with this thing. I mean, creating an LCP sized striker fired pistol with a double stack mag is incredible. And it's a good looking pistol that feels good in the hand.
it's a shame the build quality is off. Hopefully as time goes on they'll get the kinks worked out. Fortunately it seems like the flaws are minor enough that owners are able to fix them themselves.
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I really like this little handgun.
The design is flawed and the lack of quality is shameful.
My Armorer would not touch my BG2 after inspecting it and stating my concerns.
IF I found an armorer/gunsmith willing to make the modifications that I have done to get it to reliable condition, at his cost per hour I'd be out of pocket over $500. Since I had to "engineer" it myself S&W should send me another one that's been made right as compensation for my loss of time to correct and make right their mistakes.
As I said before, the Body Guard 2.0 could have been one of the top 10 handguns of the decade.
There's no excuse for the legendary Smith & Wesson, who has 5 guns in "The 25 Greatest Handguns of All Time", according to Field & Stream, to release a handgun marketed and designed specifically for a pocket carry, highly concealable, self-defense weapon, with the quality defects and design flaws it has.
The design is flawed and the lack of quality is shameful.
My Armorer would not touch my BG2 after inspecting it and stating my concerns.
IF I found an armorer/gunsmith willing to make the modifications that I have done to get it to reliable condition, at his cost per hour I'd be out of pocket over $500. Since I had to "engineer" it myself S&W should send me another one that's been made right as compensation for my loss of time to correct and make right their mistakes.
As I said before, the Body Guard 2.0 could have been one of the top 10 handguns of the decade.
There's no excuse for the legendary Smith & Wesson, who has 5 guns in "The 25 Greatest Handguns of All Time", according to Field & Stream, to release a handgun marketed and designed specifically for a pocket carry, highly concealable, self-defense weapon, with the quality defects and design flaws it has.
DISCLAIMER!!! I am not a gun smith my opinions are not professional advice so proceed at your own risk. I will not be responsible for anyone's injuries or death. I haven't had any of the accuracy issues and my bg2.0 sights were perfectly aligned. I did however have the rail and tight slide issue and 1 out of every 50 rounds failed to feed (flat nose fmj hanging up on the first feed ramp). I found for me polishing all contact parts including feed ramps worked wonders with exception to sear (don't touch the actual sear). That's rails, feed ramps, trigger bar, slide release bar and any misc high/rough points you could find (coating in very rough creates tons or drag). Now My bg2.0 cycles as smoothed as whipped butter. If you really want to see if the polishing helps but not to handy or sure I believe S&W has a gunsmithing service to polish most of what I said and tune your action up. I believe it's somewhere around the $160 mark (yeah half the price of the BG2.0) and a local gunsmith might be able to do it for cheaper. You could also get a dremel and some polishing attachments. Just make sure the polishing attachments are very fine 2000grit and up. You don't want to accidentally take to much off. You could always start off alittle at a time, put the slide back and check how it cycles. If it needs more it'll leave things marked and you'll see where it needs more polishing.
