Booze and guns

We don't hunt with any drink in us. But i'd be lieing if I said we never set up any remote range work without a cocktail being consumed in the after-noon.

That's just part of A) being In the deep woods with people you actually know and trust
B) using your vacation time to appropriately have a little show 'n tell 'n shoot AFTER time afield
C) appreciating firearms in a responsible manner without being legally "drunk"
 
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I used to belong to a gun club that had a beer cooler in the club house. I have seen shooters on the skeet field gulp down a beer and shoot a round, but after a beer or two the scores deminshed considerably. I am not aware of any accidents or incidents there but I was very shy of being on the same field as was the drinkers. That was a club in Massachusetts. That was 40 years ago and I was very uncomfortable even being there when the mix happened. My guess is that that no longer is allowed.
 
Stop...

...trying to infer the behavior of all is dictated by the behavior of some. You are simply wrong.

If you are not capable of making good decisions and rendering sound judgements, by all means, don't indulge in a legal adult activity whilst carrying a gun. But please do not tell me what I must do. You do not have the right to make people abide by your definition of right v. wrong. Period.

Be safe.


We've seen a couple situations in the past few weeks that make me think this issue needs to be discussed explicitly.

The FBI guy who lost his gun at a bar while executing a back flip and then shot a fellow bar patron while picking the gun up is the first, the CCW carrier who was at a bar celebrating a basketball victory, decided to try breaking up a fight, lost his gun in the tussel and was killed by a LEO when he tried to pick up the gun against the LEO's instructions was the second.

When I began hunting and shooting at age 9 (68+years ago) the rule was (and still is) that nobody in the party carries or even handles a gun after consuming ANY booze.

If you're hunting and want a beer with lunch, you're not hunting with us that afternoon. You don't carry a gun if you're having wine with dinner. Guns at home are all locked up if you're having a beer on a hot afternoon, wine with dinner or even one adult beverage watching the game of the week at home Sunday afternoon.

Why? Because even one drink impairs judgement and motor skills. All the good training in the world won't overcome that impairment.

But, you say, one or two beers won't make you legally drunk. No, it won't get you to DUI per se blood alcohol levels: but it can impair your ability EVER SO SLIGHTLY: the definition of Driving While Ability Impaired (DWAI) here in Colorado.

I've gotten convictions for DWAI on drivers who's blood alcohol was a third of the DUI per se standard: the juries had no problem delivering guilty verdicts.

I've heard lots of folks declare that they know themselves well enough to know they can have a beer or two without adverse impact. They're fooling themselves. The ability to judge their own impairment is itself impaired by the booze.

If you're going to drink, even just one beer, lock up the guns.
 
I haven't been physically able to hunt for years, but I would never set foot in the field with anyone who was drinking."


On my relatively remote hunting property, I've found a half dozen spots where there's an old bucket surrounded by dozens of very old beer cans. Obviously deer hunting required some beers back then.
 
I used to belong to a gun club that had a beer cooler in the club house. I have seen shooters on the skeet field gulp down a beer and shoot a round,
but after a beer or two the scores deminshed considerably. I am not aware of any accidents or incidents there but I was very shy of being on the same field as was the drinkers. That was a club in Massachusetts. That was 40 years ago and I was very uncomfortable even being there when the mix happened. My guess is that that no longer is allowed.

Not advocating something I used to do, but I usually scored better at doves and pool when I was buzzed. :)
 
THEORY VS REALITY.

IN THEORY: YES, alcohol & guns should NEVER be in the same place & time.
IN REALITY: It isn't always that easy to keep them separated (color me guilty, even though NOW I won't even have a beer during a mid day hunt break). IMO it takes some real good experience with BOTH hunting & drinking to be able to do both, & know enough to NOT touch that gun if you had a drink, or several. Regarding "real men", they would be the ones that don't drink by choice, while wanting to. :)
 
Lifetime teetotaler, here, booze and guns ? ANY sort of machinery and booze are a bad combination, an accident waiting to happen. I wonder how many lawn mower, or industrial or workplace accidents are the result of being"under the influence" ?
 
Our trap/skeet club has a refrigerator full of beer, BUT, it is strictly enforced no one touches any until the guns are cased and put away.

One of my most relaxing times was sitting on the big porch of our lodge when out hunting Prairie Dogs, in the evening. Cleaning the guns, having a good cigar and a little single malt. No ammo is present at that time.
 
As I said, to each his own.

I try to keep a pretty small list of things to worry about. I recently had to add: Losing gun while executing backflip. No room for this one now.

Also, one of the many benefits of being an amply proportioned gentleman is the ability to absorb a single glass of girly wine without becoming under the influence. Well, that and a lot of practice.

Good discussion, though.

PS - This post made more sense when it had a quote from a post to which I was responding. Now that post, and my quote of same is gone.
 
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When I was younger, I rather dogmatically felt that I wouldn't trust anyone with a gun sober whom I wouldn't trust under the influence. I have since modified my attitude, and recognize that many folks have different reactions to alcohol, and many of them recognize their own limitations. Some don't.

At present, I am slow to accept blanket pronouncements concerning alcohol and guns. That goes double for alcohol and keyboards.
 
I believe it is legal to have a drink in a restaurant while legally carrying with a license in Florida. I know that it is in Pennsylvania. I've certainly done it in Pennsylvania and I'll do it again. A reuben and a beer go well together and if it happens to be ME enjoying that combination, you can bet that I'll be armed while doing so if the law provides for it.

These same self-righteous "hardline rules" discussions happen on motorcycle forums also. Just as silly there, too.
 
Never ever handle firearms after even one beer. Never. Ever. No excuses, no exceptions. Never...........

Get home, put gun on counter, drink a beer while headed to toilet, return to kitchen, get second beer from fridge, turn around, face home invader who came in through open garage door you left up because you going to do some work out there. Pistol is between you and home invader.

Still never?
 
You can't really fault a person for saying they will not hang around if guns and booze are being mixed. I understand totally, nobody wants to be on the wrong side of a good time gone bad.

If that's your choice, I respect it. I certainly don't want to get shot.

If we have the ability (and freedom) to make these choices, I reserve the right to use my discretion to help my decision.

I've been out target shooting with people I trust to both handle their firearm safely, and to use moderation while drinking. An example: sipping a beer while shooting gophers in a pasture with my brother (who I trust and have shot with my entire life). That being said, if we decide the beer is more important than plinking, the guns get put to bed.

An example of the other end of the spectrum: being invited out for a gopher shoot as part of an aquaintance's bachelor party weekend. Show up and there are 30 guys with .22's and empty beer cans scattered the entire length of the field. Guys wandering up and down, guns being fired in all directions.

Didn't even get out of my truck, turned around and went home. Texted him "congrats on your wedding, hope everybody made it home" the next day.

***I live in Saskatchewan, gopher shoots are our number 2 social event.
 
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