bump fire?

[nachogrande]

LEGAL/NOT LEGAL???

Like shooting into a crowd is legal? I'm not a fan, or see a need of bump fire stocks FOR ME, but would hope such (slippery slope) decisions would not be made in haste while feelings are still white hot. Put a pin in it until cooler heads can prevail & make a decision with the head vs the heart. ANY pro gun statement by the NRA, at this time, is gonna go over like breaking wind in an elevator.

 

[sheepdawg]

You do realize that the NRA supported almost every gun control law on the federal books, and many state?

Honestly do you believe 2A would be around if not for the NRA?

 

[Walkingwolf]

Honestly do you believe 2A would be around if not for the NRA?

YES, and the way it was supposed to be. YOU were sold out by the NRA a longgggg time ago. It is like a thanking a surgeon for putting your brain back together AFTER he bashed your skull in with a sledge hammer.

With Friends Like The NRA ...

In 1968, the NRA "signed off" on Thomas Dodd's Nazi-inspired Gun Control Act, a story of deceit and treachery we've told here before - as covered in the book "Gateway to Tyranny". (JPFO discovered this nasty connection, and that Dodd requested a translation of Hitler's gun laws from the Library of Congress.) And never forget how the NRA actually helped resurrect the Brady Bill (the whole story is told at 404 - Article not found ) -- under which you must now beg for and receive the government's permission to buy a gun -- after it was considered to be as dead as a doornail in Congress.

NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934

"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. … NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

 

[nachogrande]

I SMELL...

Another panic buying run on all things black/plastic/tactikewl, similar but worse than the last one. All those LGS's overstocked with "MSR's" and such will soon be moving the merch at a brisk pace.

 

[susieqz]

double like for wolf's post.
i'm no fan of the nra.
what's really sad here is we are not gonna get the silencer bill now.

 

[Walkingwolf]

double like for wolf's post.
i'm no fan of the nra.
what's really sad here is we are not gonna get the silencer bill now.

Rather than a bill I would rather see a SCOTUS decision restoring the 2A. But it would cause the NRA to lose a lot of money.

They need legislation, with freedom their members would drop considerably. Members equals big bucks.

We need one more originalist on the supreme court.

 

[TTSH]

I've heard (once or twice now) that "several" of the guns were jammed...assume that was due to bump stock failure.

Not necessarily a good assumption Bam. Bump stocks do not fail or cause jams... and they were only apparently on 12 of his 2 dozen or so guns anyway. My guess would be overheating or magazine jams (or just plain old-fashioned everyday AR jams) as the more likely causes... or maybe God had just seen enough.

I do find it interesting that the Godforsaken terrorist knew he would inevitably have jams and therefore brought many along many similar guns to do his madness.

 

[TTSH]

double like for wolf's post.
i'm no fan of the nra.
what's really sad here is we are not gonna get the silencer bill now.

I really hate to be critical of the NRA so I am biting my lip really hard right now and trying not to get too upset. But it is a fact that the NRA does things that are sometimes in its best interest (as an organization)... not necessarily in our best interest (as American gunowners). This is one of those cases.

 

[pmanton]

Some years ago I lightened the trigger of an M-1 too much. It bump fired
when shooting from the bench. It let off two rounds so close together that I couldn't tell I had fired off two. The report and recoil just seemed longer than usual.

 

[the ringo kid]

NRA will not get my money because I support GOA. I feel they do more fighting for the 2nd than the NRA does.

So does the Texas version of the NRA-which is why I'm wondering if I can get my money refunded for my membership to the NRA?

 

[the ringo kid]

Still if not for the NRA the Second Amendment would have been gone long ago. Write them, e mail them, let them know your displeasure.

I fully intend on doing so. Charlton Heston-I wish you were still here.

 

[Grayfox]

I haven't been a fan of the NRA, or rather the ILA part of it, for quite a few years now. I'm only still a member because my gun club requires it.
They have gotten way too caught up in playing the political 'game'. Too much bargaining and compromise for my taste. They need to grow a pair and stand up for our rights rather than bargain them away.
I tried to send them an e-mail from their web-site expressing my displeasure with this latest stand. But for some reason it wouldn't send. Maybe the system is overloaded. I hope so.

 

[ancient-one]

I have spent nearly 50 years supporting Second Amendment issues. I have stood at the doors of gun shows passing out flyers against pending antigun legislation, most of it printed at my expense. I have spent many hours writing letters to the opinion page of the newspaper and to my representatives at state and federal level. I have attended many pro gun rallies. I am a supporting member of the NRA. The above is said so that no one will doubt my pro gun stance.

I do not understand how supporting the regulation of a item that for all practical purpose turns a AR into a full auto weapon is a sellout of the Second Amendment. You people that continuously gripe about the NRA would have a lot more to complain about if they did not exist.

 

[TTSH]

I have spent nearly 50 years supporting Second Amendment issues. I have stood at the doors of gun shows passing out flyers against pending antigun legislation, most of it printed at my expense. I have spent many hours writing letters to the opinion page of the newspaper and to my representatives at state and federal level. I have attended many pro gun rallies. I am a supporting member of the NRA. The above is said so that no one will doubt my pro gun stance.

I do not understand how supporting the regulation of a item that for all practical purpose turns a AR into a full auto weapon is a sellout of the Second Amendment. You people that continuously gripe about the NRA would have a lot more to complain about if they did not exist.

This is a perfect example of how and why we have lost this battle before it has even begun. Once we stop saying that it's the person and not the tool, it changes everything. The NRA and many well-meaning gun owners have now said that it's the tool that's the problem after all. Bye-bye gun rights.

 

[Mistered]

This is a post from another forum - and I think it makes pretty good sense:

First... For those screaming "My 2nd Amendment!"
There is no constitutionally protected right to own firearms accessories. A bump fire stock is not a firearm and thus has no 2nd amendment protection. Taking away an accessory that is designed to simulate full auto fire is not infringing your 2nd amendment rights. I am sure this is the reasoning behind the NRA statement.

Do I agree with "banning" anything firearm related? No... I think actual full auto firearms should be available to anyone who wants one. Still does not change the fact that a stock is not a 2nd Amendment protected item.

Second. We are talking about an accessory that's entire reason for existing is to simulate a controlled firearm. Banning these would not set president. Its been done many times before banning items that when installed created full auto rates of fire. Wanting to regulated these like they regulated DIAS and other things that used to be available is not surprising.

Do I think it will solve anything? No, of course not. A criminal will not abide by the law. Someone who wants to shoot up a crowd can build a actual full auto rifle with very little skill required. Banning bump stocks will do nothing to stop nut jobs from shooting up a place...

Still.... Banning a hunk of plastic (or even placing it on a controlled list) is not the same as placing restrictions on or banning a firearm. I am not for banning bump stocks, but I am not really torn up about losing them either, its an accessory.

Given the circumstances and that fact we have 570 some victims in a huge mass casualty event involving a dozen or so AR15's..... The fact that they are making such a big stink about a hunk of bolt on plastic and not screaming for the total repeal of the 2nd amendment I count as a blessing.

I see the bumpfire stock as a token "give me" that might placate the anti's and get us through this tragedy without losing anything of actual value.

Do I like it? no. Do I think its right? no. Does this mean I am anti 2nd Amendment? Like I already stated this is not a 2nd Amendment issue, its not a firearm.

Do I think its going to stop this kind of madman? NO... Things are not responsible for evil, men are. Any sane and rational person understands this. Problem is the world is full of irrational/emotional people.

So yeah. I know its not a popular view point and I will get a raft of sheet for this. Still if you are objective and not emotional about it I am sure you can see the logic.

So best head on over to Gunbroker and get you a $900 bump fire while you still can.... Cuz my bet is they are history, and honestly I am not that broken up about it.

 

[eahicks]

Hey, if they decide to regulate these things and make them hard to get like SBRs or suppressors, for now, and it makes the libs feel better, so be it. It doesn’t bother me any, I’ve never felt the need for one and think they’re a waste. If that’s what the anti-gun weenies wanna focus on, fine.


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[e3mrk]

I have been doing that with My SKS for years and without a Bump Stock.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Not going to flame ya nor the NRA.... just yet.

My unofficial count is that NRA leadership has stated 427,003 times that more gun regulation is not the answer. Over the years they have caved-in and compromised on things. I get that. It's not a perfect world. But this last statement by the NRA rings a completely different tone-- NRA advocacy for more federal gun regulation. In other words, more gun regulation is the answer! That's a tough pill to swallow when the 2A rights group you contribute hard earned monies comes right out of the gate calling for more gun regulations.

“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” NRA leaders Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox said in a statement.

The NRA's position on this is very out-of-character to say the least. I'm not sure why they would even have a stated position on BF stocks, they really aren't that common. Most people don't even know what they are, including me.

This declaration of theirs indicates to me that they're previous stance of no new gun control is about to change. I have to wonder why. They must have some pretty good consultants poling gun owners and advising them on their course to stay relevant and prosperous. Not much different than any large company who wants to make a profit.

I have a feeling the NRA has lost a lot of contributors since the election and they are on hard times. Time to change course and reach out to the moderate gun owners, the soccer moms who just bought a pistol and got a carry permit. You'll need some training and some insurance to go with that and the NRA is here to help.

 

[tops]

I once saw a guy bump fire a Glock that had a 30 rd. mag. and he didn't have a special stock.
Shall not be infringed means I can own any thing I want.
Instead of making more laws that make it more difficult to get guns why not just make it illegal to kill people? Larry

 

[TomkinsSP]

Feinstein's bill - ‘‘Automatic Gunfire Prevention Act’’.

“It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun,”

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pu...71B98A52.automatic-gunfire-prevention-act.pdf

So a smart lawyer could argue replacing a broken part, stoning a rough part, shortening a spring, plating, polishing, deburring, tuning....