bump fire?

[Beemerguy53]

BS, that is just because you do not support other peoples form of shooting. I see no need for you to own semi auto rifles, I don't own any so I believe a ban on them would appease the gun grabbers leaving my lever actions alone. I just don't understand why you need a semi auto to hunt, or more than 10 rounds in a handgun.

Plus I believe that the NRA is the lefts biggest thorn, remove that thorn and they will leave me alone.

I support the right to use firearms -- all firearms -- for legitimate purposes: Self-defense; hunting; formal and informal target shooting; and the assertion of one's 2nd Amendment rights.

Bump stocks are not firearms; they are accessories, and I doubt there is even a 2nd Amendment case to be made for them. They are not necessary to any firearm's function. They are explicitly designed to circumvent the National Firearms Act, which is, whether you or I agree with it or not, the law of the land. Bump stocks do nothing to make any firearm to which they are mounted more effective for hunting, self-defense, target shooting, or the assertion of one's 2nd Amendment rights. They are useful only for firing a large quantity of ammo quickly and inaccurately...which is exactly what that monster in Las Vegas did last Sunday night. No, I do not support some imagined "right" to own this particular accessory.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I got news for you, most of the parts of your favorite gun are not classified as firearms. Only the frame is the firearm, so you would leave us with a bunch of useless frames.

 

[Beemerguy53]

What accidents are you talking about? YOU think the shooting was an accident? Wow! Just Wow!

How about some citations to back up the bull.

You really need to settle down...you are so worked up you cannot distinguish between the words "incident" and "accident". Get a grip, fella...

 

[Beemerguy53]

I got news for you, most of the parts of your favorite gun are not classified as firearms. Only the frame is the firearm, so you would leave us with a bunch of useless frames.

The trigger, stock, sights, etc., are not accessories like a bump stock.

 

[Walkingwolf]

The trigger, stock, sights, etc., are not accessories like a bump stock.

They are not firearms, and not arms, they can be banned. And you do realize you just contradicted yourself?

 

[Beemerguy53]

They are not firearms, and not arms, they can be banned. And you do realize you just contradicted yourself?

I didn't contradict myself at all. A rifle's stock is an integral part of the firearm, necessary for it to function properly (and to be legally defined as a rifle). A bump stock is actually not a stock at all in the conventional sense; it is an accessory that modifies the function of the rifle.

If you really don't understand the difference between the trigger, stock, sights, etc, of a firearm, which are necessary for it to function at all, and a bump stock, which is an accessory designed to circumvent the National Firearms Act, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

It's late, and I am really tired of your hysteria. Good night.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I didn't contradict myself at all. A rifle's stock is an integral part of the firearm, necessary for it to function properly (and to be legally defined as a rifle). A bump stock is actually not a stock at all in the conventional sense; it is an accessory that modifies the function of the rifle.

If you really don't understand the difference between the trigger, stock, sights, etc, of a firearm, which are necessary for it to function at all, and a bump stock, which is an accessory designed to circumvent the National Firearms Act, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

It's late, and I am really tired of your hysteria. Good night.

A bump stock is a stock. It does not circumvent anything, maybe you should read the actual laws. Do understand the difference between a semi auto, and a full auto? Here is a clue, it has something to do with each pull of the trigger.

What it does do is the same thing the short reset of Glock does. I hope you don't own any Glocks.

BTW the NRA is not an integral part of the firearm. I have no problem with banning the organization if it will protect my guns.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Forget about Pelosi. Think about the folks out there -- my neighbors, your co-workers, our friends -- who are horrified by incidents like this, and who could be persuaded to support repeal of the 2nd Amendment. That's the real danger here...and the more irresponsible gun owners seem to those folks, the greater the likelihood of that happening.

I know my friends well. None of my friends can be persuaded to support repeal of the 2A.

For anyone willing to support repeal of the 2A... the problem isn't the absence of yet another gun law piled atop countless others, it's the absence of appreciation for the Bill of Rights that they suffer. One more gun control law.. then another and another... will never satisfy such a vacancy.

The notion that more gun freedoms must be surrendered for fear of losing even more is a fools game.

 

[Arik]

The people doing the throwing are the companies that make accessories like bump stocks, and the people who buy them.

The people being thrown are the rest of us, who are sick of tired of paying the price for others' criminality or irresponsibility.

No a member here has already said he's ok with essentially going back to the AWB. It seems If it doesn't effect his shotgun and revolvers he doesn't really care.

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[Arik]

Forget about Pelosi. Think about the folks out there -- my neighbors, your co-workers, our friends -- who are horrified by incidents like this, and who could be persuaded to support repeal of the 2nd Amendment. That's the real danger here...and the more irresponsible gun owners seem to those folks, the greater the likelihood of that happening.

Bump stocks are not firearms; they are accessories. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on television, but I doubt there is a 2nd Amendment-based defense for them.

Accessory. So are stocks and barrel shroud and pistol grips and muzzle devices and magazines and magazines releases.

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[ChattanoogaPhil]

No a member here has already said he's ok with essentially going back to the AWB. It seems If it doesn't effect his shotgun and revolvers he doesn't really care.

Ah... but wait!

We're skipping over the definition of a machine gun and simply fussing about rate of firing projectiles and less accuracy as being the barometer for banning something.

AR15 - One press of the trigger shoots one 55gr projectile.

12ga shotgun - One press of the trigger shoots nine 54gr projectiles, and not as accurately as the AR15.

 

[the ringo kid]

Hey, if they decide to regulate these things and make them hard to get like SBRs or suppressors, for now, and it makes the libs feel better, so be it. It doesn’t bother me any, I’ve never felt the need for one and think they’re a waste. If that’s what the anti-gun weenies wanna focus on, fine.


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HUZZAH???????

 

[the ringo kid]

bearing in mind that i think i should be able to buy me a tommy gun, with no forms to fill out at any hardware store, i don't see the harm in bump stocks.

Hi Susie-I agree. I want a Tommy gun-but don't want a bump-stock. However, I agree that a person who wants one-should be able to get one.

 

[the ringo kid]

Considering how much the left hates NRA, why not ban them. Then the left will leave the rest of us gun owners alone. The NRA does not support open carry so they are no use to me. Why should I support keeping them around for YOUR needs. After all OC is protected in NC I don't need CC, or see the practical purpose of it when OC is legal.

Before some of you go off the deep end, I am just showing you how stabbing your friends in the back will backfire.

And ive also had to correct some less-informed in South Africa and in England on guns and ""gun clubs"" here in the USA-because they thought that they were too big and need to be regulated. I reminded them of the slippery-slopes they went through and suddenly-they too saw the light and now fully agree-at least on a keyboard.

 

[the ringo kid]

You really need to settle down...you are so worked up you cannot distinguish between the words "incident" and "accident". Get a grip, fella...

Hey gents--THINK of these

to lower your blood pressure.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I was never into safe spaces. As far as settling down I will never let some person who has no regard for the rights of others to attack law abiding citizens.

Besides my dogs would eat those cats for breakfast.

 

[Watchdog]

Amazing.

A member begins this thread by asking a couple of simple questions about "bump fire" and it degenerates into a thread full of NRA bashing, petty bickering among members, and mini-flame wars. So much for polite discourse.

Pitiful. Just pitiful.

 

[TomkinsSP]

I live in East London, I do not live in Prague. If giving that German demogouge all of Czekoslovakia will keep.Heinkels from dropping bombs in MY garden, well, I will stand with Neville.

Appeasement always works, ask a historian.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Personally, I think bump fire, slide fire etc stocks are stupid. But its not my right to make a decision as to what type of stock a citizen wants to use on his rifle. Our contitution guarantees us the right to own arms (and to practice the citizen's religion of choice), a stock is a necessary part of a rifle.
How many would accept a National Religions Act, that would require a federal tax stamp to practice certain religions, or to regulate the lenth of sacramental wafers, or the type of fruit you can hang in a Sukka, or the carbon content of ash, or the exact placement of that little red dot? Perhaps ban Halal mest, I mean more people eat non-Halal meat just like more people use Magpul stocks. Right?

 

[Skeet 028]

If you really don't understand the difference between the trigger, stock, sights, etc, of a firearm, which are necessary for it to function at all, and a bump stock, which is an accessory designed to circumvent the National Firearms Act, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

Beemer...you do live in Md...as did I. That state has changed the whole concept of gun and accessory ownership. A magazine is an integral part of an AR. How many rounds can you put in your AR....in other words what is the limit of the number of rounds your new accessory magazine can hold? Do you support a limit on the number of magazines it would be legal to own? I personally have no need for a bump fire stock. If someone wants to own one who are you or I to tell them they can't? Again don't blame the stock of the rifles for what illegal acts one mad man did. The stock did not shoot those people. I hate to say it but a person with a regular semi auto could have probably slain as many or possibly even more with more accurate fire(my opinion anyway). Blaming an inanimate object for the mass murder of so many is kind of ridiculous. Blaming the NRA for supporting our 2nd amendment rights is ridiculous also. Do I like all that the NRA supports? Not really(but that is another story). But I truly feel that were it not for the NRA the 2nd amendment would be null and void. Look at England Canada Austrailia . What happened in Las Vegas is horrific... Blame belongs on the PERSON who committed these acts