bump fire?

[Wise_A]

It doesn't need a new law. But the NRA is asking for regulation, not legislation. The ATF should never have ruled that bump fire stocks were outside the bounds of existing laws.

Overall, I'm torn:

--Banning bump fire stocks would not have stopped this guy. He had the commitment and resources to achieve the ends he desired with or without them. He would have acquired automatic weapons eventually, and barring that, he had a pilot's license and two airplanes. Do the math.

--Legislation in general hasn't worked in France, and won't work here.

--Bump fire stocks don't really serve any sort of purpose, but just because something doesn't have a purpose to me (or Bloomberg, Feinstein, Schumer or Guillabrand) doesn't mean it should be banned. Pretty much every gun I own, short of my carry gun, has absolutely no practical purpose. Only one of them currently exists for competition, the rest are for the hell of it.

But:

--Bump fire stocks are clearly designed to skirt automatic weapons regulation...

...but...

--NY/CA-compliant modifications and parts are clearly designed to skirt those states' draconian legislation, and I think they're just fine.

So on the whole, I guess:

--Maybe wait until we're done with the funerals before we start sponsoring bills (ugh), or talking about how their should have been sharpshooters et al (the gunny crowd can be real damn tasteless themselves).

 

[TomkinsSP]

In other news...
The Amerikkan Sivil Liberties Union is supporting legislation to ban blogging because it "simulates real news reporting without actually being illegal." Film at 11...

 

[e3mrk]

Actually I dont care one way or another about the bump stock but I am concerned that banning this will get their foot in the door and they wont stop until all we have are sticks and stones.

 

[rperillo05]

I'd be surprised if they're banned. There is no money in a ban but there is money and information in a regulation. Think about how many states you can purchase a firearm privately with no background check. But you want a regulated item that somehow requires your information and a tax, bam someone that could have had ZERO firearms on paper, now is a blip on the Democratic radar. They know that they have a long grueling uphill battle to disarm us completely (which I don't think will ever happen in many lifetimes). So what's the next best thing? Tracking and taxing... That's why they are pushing for required background checks on private sales too.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Actually I dont care one way or another about the bump stock but I am concerned that banning this will get their foot in the door and they wont stop until all we have are sticks and stones.

They won't stop at sticks, and stones. They will ban self defense like England did.

 

[rperillo05]

They won't stop at sticks, and stones. They will ban self defense like England did.

And New Jersey...lol

 

[Beemerguy53]

I have spent nearly 50 years supporting Second Amendment issues. I have stood at the doors of gun shows passing out flyers against pending antigun legislation, most of it printed at my expense. I have spent many hours writing letters to the opinion page of the newspaper and to my representatives at state and federal level. I have attended many pro gun rallies. I am a supporting member of the NRA. The above is said so that no one will doubt my pro gun stance.

I do not understand how supporting the regulation of a item that for all practical purpose turns a AR into a full auto weapon is a sellout of the Second Amendment. You people that continuously gripe about the NRA would have a lot more to complain about if they did not exist.

You "get it"...thank you!

 

[Beemerguy53]

This is a perfect example of how and why we have lost this battle before it has even begun. Once we stop saying that it's the person and not the tool, it changes everything. The NRA and many well-meaning gun owners have now said that it's the tool that's the problem after all. Bye-bye gun rights.

That "tool" (bump stocks and similar devices) is good for one thing and one thing only: Spreading inaccurate fire over a large area. And who does that? Target shooters? Nope. Hunters? Nope. Second Amendment enthusiasts? Nope.

When we defend things like bump stocks, we play right into the hands of the gun banners. We give them the ammo they need to argue that we are extremists whose views are so out-of-sync with "normal" Americans that we ought not even be part of the debate...

 

[Walkingwolf]

When we throw other gun enthusiasts under the bus we play into the hands of the gun control nuts.

 

[JayFramer]

i guess i'm a wanna be, i always thot having a 3 shot burst would be super cool.

You thot it would be cool?

 

[bushmaster1313]

That "tool" (bump stocks and similar devices) is good for one thing and one thing only: Spreading inaccurate fire over a large area. And who does that? Target shooters? Nope. Hunters? Nope. Second Amendment enthusiasts? Nope.

When we defend things like bump stocks, we play right into the hands of the gun banners. We give them the ammo they need to argue that we are extremists whose views are so out-of-sync with "normal" Americans that we ought not even be part of the debate...

I agree

"Full Auto For All" is a losing proposition and taking that stand will not help the overall goal of protecting the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms. Whether you like it or not, "reasonable regulation" of firearms is here to stay. Individuals and organizations who care about the Second Amendment need to be realistic.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I agree

"Full Auto For All" is a losing proposition and taking that stand will not help the overall goal of protecting the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms. Whether you like it or not, "reasonable regulation" of firearms is here to stay. Individuals and organizations who care about the Second Amendment need to be realistic.

Then kiss the second amendment goodbye, it was never about reasonable regulation of the item you don't care about. Until it does affect you, then you will want our help.

 

[susieqz]

bearing in mind that i think i should be able to buy me a tommy gun, with no forms to fill out at any hardware store, i don't see the harm in bump stocks.

 

[Grayfox]

For the record: I do not own a bump stock, I have no need for one and I don't want one.
I feel the same way about the AR-15. Don't need one and don't want one. However, I did voice my opinion, wrote my Congress Critters and raised as much hell as I could when the assault weapons ban was proposed and later passed.
Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean you can just let it slide. All of our rights are at stake and the antis plan to destroy us one piece at a time.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Considering how much the left hates NRA, why not ban them. Then the left will leave the rest of us gun owners alone. The NRA does not support open carry so they are no use to me. Why should I support keeping them around for YOUR needs. After all OC is protected in NC I don't need CC, or see the practical purpose of it when OC is legal.

Before some of you go off the deep end, I am just showing you how stabbing your friends in the back will backfire.

 

[Beemerguy53]

When we throw other gun enthusiasts under the bus we play into the hands of the gun control nuts.

The people doing the throwing are the companies that make accessories like bump stocks, and the people who buy them.

The people being thrown are the rest of us, who are sick of tired of paying the price for others' criminality or irresponsibility.

 

[Walkingwolf]

The people doing the throwing are the companies that make accessories like bump stocks, and the people who buy them.

The people being thrown are the rest of us, who are sick of tired of paying the price for others' criminality or irresponsibility.

BS, that is just because you do not support other peoples form of shooting. I see no need for you to own semi auto rifles, I don't own any so I believe a ban on them would appease the gun grabbers leaving my lever actions alone. I just don't understand why you need a semi auto to hunt, or more than 10 rounds in a handgun.

Plus I believe that the NRA is the lefts biggest thorn, remove that thorn and they will leave me alone.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

When we defend things like bump stocks, we play right into the hands of the gun banners. We give them the ammo they need to argue that we are extremists whose views are so out-of-sync with "normal" Americans that we ought not even be part of the debate...

Since when have "gun banners" characterized the NRA as anything but extreme?

One more gun regulation, one more law, one more ban... this will somehow finally satisfy the insatiable appetite of gun banners? Did you hear Nancy Pelosi? "They’re going to say, 'You give them bump stock, it's going to be a slippery slope'. I certainly hope so."
"Bump stock is a good start..... "

See... no matter how many more gun freedoms are surrendered gun banners are always at the same point-- the starting point.

Seriously, what is the end-game here piling on more gun control regulations on top of countless others?

 

[Beemerguy53]

Since when have "gun banners" characterized the NRA as anything but extreme?

One more gun regulation, one more law, one more ban... this will somehow finally satisfy the insatiable appetite of gun banners? Did you hear Nancy Pelosi? "They’re going to say, 'You give them bump stock, it's going to be a slippery slope'. I certainly hope so."
"Bump stock is a good start..... "

See... no matter how many more gun freedoms are surrendered gun banners are always at the same point-- the starting point.

Seriously, what is the end-game here piling on more gun control regulations on top of countless others? Why isn't Nancy Pelosi already a member of the NRA after they caved to the 1986 ban on manufacture of machine guns? Just another starting point...

Forget about Pelosi. Think about the folks out there -- my neighbors, your co-workers, our friends -- who are horrified by incidents like this, and who could be persuaded to support repeal of the 2nd Amendment. That's the real danger here...and the more irresponsible gun owners seem to those folks, the greater the likelihood of that happening.

Bump stocks are not firearms; they are accessories. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on television, but I doubt there is a 2nd Amendment-based defense for them.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Forget about Pelosi. Think about the folks out there -- my neighbors, your co-workers, our friends -- who are horrified by incidents like this, and who could be persuaded to support repeal of the 2nd Amendment. That's the real danger here...and the more irresponsible gun owners seem to those folks, the greater the likelihood of that happening.

Bump stocks are not firearms; they are accessories. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on television, but I doubt there is a 2nd Amendment-based defense for them.

What accidents are you talking about? YOU think the shooting was an accident? Wow! Just Wow!

How about some citations to back up the bull.