Cannot recommend M&P pistols right now

I still think if I were S&W I wouldn't give exclusive contracts for parts production.
Until you run a multimillion dollar company, you can't make a statement like this. They don't make just one magazine, they have bunches of different ones. The mag may look simple, but it's actually a precision made device.

This all falls under the same problems as anything else gun related today. People say, "Why don't they just make more .22 ammo?" The answer is the current demand has exceeded the production capacity.

Trust me, they are making mags as fast as they can along with guns and any other product they make. It's just not as simple as, "Just make more."
 
Okay, I've amended my post. I really love my M&P, and I prefer to use it for my matches. Guess I shouldn't fire off new threads right after an unsuccessful search for mags. I still think if I were S&W I wouldn't give exclusive contracts for parts production.

No need to amend anything. They were your thoughts at the time. BTDT.
 
I agree the magazine shortage is frustrating for us that shot competitions. I gentleman at work was talking to me about getting into IDPA and asking what to buy. I told him that I really like my M&Ps, but if he wants to shoot IDPA he will either have to find someone that he can borrow a magazine from (which wouldn't be a problem at our club) or he would have to buy something other than M&P.

He ended up buying a Glock 19 because the Gen 4 came with three magazines and that is what he needed for IDPA.
 
And, for goodness' sake, order a few extra from Midway or somewhere else, and wait, like everyone else.

Unfortunately, that is not possible.
Status: Out of Stock, No Backorder
Date expected in stock: Unknown

I check multiple websites every day including gunbot and have had no luck since March when I got my M&P. I may have to resort to a promag. :eek:
 
I cannot recommend buying a gun right now.
Ammo is in short supply or non-existent. Some people aren't even going out to shoot because they are afraid of depleting their hoarded cache.

As for me, I cast, I reload, I shoot.
M&P 40 with 2 ten round magazines, 10,000+ rounds and counting (that's over 500 mag fillups each).

What, me worry?
 
I have to agree with the original poster, to offer a firearm for sale without a supply of magazines available is bad business. You can go to the store all day and buy M&P 9mms but then you are scewed.

I think this borderlines on fraud or bait and switch which is illegal in most states. A charge of this will get most .gov purchase contracts yanked. They would be best to supply a proportionate supply of mags to firearms. The last thing I want to hear is my local PD carrying 1 mag because they cant get mags. I am bad @$$ and all but I can not respond to every neighbor or community member 24/7 and until you are prepared to do so the LEOs and everyone else should get the mags when they need them.

If S&W is unwilling to supply the demand for mags IE change manufacturers or make them in house, then maybe they shouldnt sell pistols. Sig lost my business, and many others, when they refused to supply Xchange kits to purchasers of the 250. This was a clear violation of Virginia law since they advertised for years that you could convert your pistol by buying an Xchange kit. No, they didnt get charged and they should have, but name me an agency that uses the 250. Name me an agency that still uses sigs after their issues!
 
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I think this borderlines on fraud or bait and switch which is illegal in most states.
What??? Fraud? Bait and switch? Do you have any idea what those terms mean? If you took this to a court you would be laughed right out of the court house.

For either of those to be true, they'd have to advertise that they had a particular item and then, when you got to the store, they wouldn't have it. For it to be illegal they would have to advertise it and never have had it in the first place. There's absolutely nothing illegal about running out of a product.

Further, they aren't advertising mags at all just because they're selling guns. Again, if they advertised a gun came with two mags and then it only had one when you went to buy it, that could be fraud. Bait and switch would be advertising an M&P and then trying to sell you a 1911 when you showed up because they never had an M&P.

To call the current magazine shortage fraud, is just ludicrous.
 
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I like to shoot my M&P 9L for IDPA and USPSA matches, but extra mags are completely unavailable. I am afraid to even drop my mags at slide lock for fear of losing them (I didn't say that fear is rational, BTW). It seems as if S&W is uninterested in addressing this problem...I've not seen any attempt to officially acknowledge the shortage. As such, I cannot currently recommend these guns to new buyers; I would wait until mag production catches up. Once it does, I will wholeheartedly recommend them.
Thanks,now the word is out:rolleyes:
 
What??? Fraud? Bait and switch? Do you have any idea what those terms mean? If you took this to a court you would be laughed right out of the court house.

For either of those to be true, they'd have to advertise that they had a particular item and then, when you got to the store, they wouldn't have it. For it to be illegal they would have to advertise it and never have had it in the first place. There's absolutely nothing illegal about running out of a product.

Further, they aren't advertising mags at all just because they're selling guns. Again, if they advertised a gun came with two mags and then it only had one when you went to buy it, that could be fraud. Bait and switch would be advertising an M&P and then trying to sell you a 1911 when you showed up because you never had an M&P.

To call the current magazine shortage fraud, is just ludicrous.

Yes I am completely aware of what those items mean, the question is do you?

Sig advertised quite extensively that you could purchase a Sig 250 and then purchase a quick change kit at the fraction of the cost, keep the same serial number, and get a different size or caliber firearm. There was never a mention that these were not available. Two years down the line they then stated they would only be selling whole guns because it was more lucrative to do so. This is where the bait and switch comes in.

With that in mind it is a common expectation to be able to get additional mags when purchasing a firearm. In this case you have to purchase another gun to get the mags or in many cases it is cheaper to purchase the second firearm for the mags than to buy the mags. This is where that comes in.

Go ahead and short change people if you want but if they were a smaller company, like a mom and pop, they would catch a charge. Since you know all about bait and switch you would also know, in Virginia, you can catch a charge just by being an agent of the corporation who fails to provide the item. Yes, venue would be Virginia for anyone who lives here and purchase a Smith product. Even if the charges were dismissed against the employes and Smith there would then be civil issues which requires a much lower burden of proof. The simple advertisement of spare magazines on the site could be enough. On top of that NO .gov purchases would be made while the charges were pending. So you are looking at a very hefty penalty even if they dont win. In order to do any sort of counter suit you would have to prove intent to damage the character of Smith. Since Smith, a corporation seen as a public person, would require malicious intent to win a counter suit; it would be impossible to win any costs back.

Of course you knew all of this with your years law school and knowledge in the field. You would with no doubt be the one defending them and getting to go home every night rather they won or lost with money in your pocket.


I am in now way saying sue smith, I just wish these gun companies would stop trying to profit off a political issue and do what they say they are going to do. I would hate my trigger spring to break tomorrow, go to the site to place an order, get my CC charged, and get an email saying my order will not be honored because they can make more money selling guns so purchase a new gun. It is pretty clear that most of the country will not be getting an additional ban at this point. To deliberately fix supply in order to increase demand is wrong. There is absolutely no reason that one can not get on a 2 week backorder on $25 9mm mags. That is no reason other than greed. Call it socialist or communist or whatever, why should they profit when our rights are under fire.
 
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Yes I am completely aware of what those items mean, the question is do you?

Sig advertised quite extensively that you could purchase a Sig 250 and then purchase a quick change kit at the fraction of the cost, keep the same serial number, and get a different size or caliber firearm. There was never a mention that these were not available. Two years down the line they then stated they would only be selling whole guns because it was more lucrative to do so. This is where the bait and switch comes in.

With that in mind it is a common expectation to be able to get additional mags when purchasing a firearm. In this case you have to purchase another gun to get the mags or in many cases it is cheaper to purchase the second firearm for the mags than to buy the mags. This is where that comes in.

Go ahead and short change people if you want but if they were a smaller company, like a mom and pop, they would catch a charge. Since you know all about bait and switch you would also know, in Virginia, you can catch a charge just by being an agent of the corporation who fails to provide the item. Yes, venue would be Virginia for anyone who lives here and purchase a Smith product. Even if the charges were dismissed against the employes and Smith there would then be civil issues which requires a much lower burden of proof. The simple advertisement of spare magazines on the site could be enough. On top of that NO .gov purchases would be made while the charges were pending. So you are looking at a very hefty penalty even if they dont win. In order to do any sort of counter suit you would have to prove intent to damage the character of Smith. Since Smith, a corporation seen as a public person, would require malicious intent to win a counter suit; it would be impossible to win any costs back.

Of course you knew all of this with your years law school and knowledge in the field. You would with no doubt be the one defending them and getting to go home every night rather they won or lost with money in your pocket.


I am in now way saying sue smith, I just wish these gun companies would stop trying to profit off a political issue and do what they say they are going to do. I would hate my trigger spring to break tomorrow, go to the site to place an order, get my CC charged, and get an email saying my order will not be honored because they can make more money selling guns so purchase a new gun. It is pretty clear that most of the country will not be getting an additional ban at this point. To deliberately fix supply in order to increase demand is wrong. There is absolutely no reason that one can not get on a 2 week backorder on $25 9mm mags. That is no reason other than greed. Call it socialist or communist or whatever, why should they profit when our rights are under fire.

No.

What exactly would the charge be? This is literally one of the most ridiculous things I have read on the internet...and that's saying something.
 
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I agree with TahoeDust. Your line of reasoning is ludicrous.

With that in mind it is a common expectation to be able to get additional mags when purchasing a firearm.
No, not really. Most of the people I know buy a gun and use the one or two mags it comes with for the rest of their lives. They never even consider buying another mag. Those that do, the competitors, military and police, make up a small percentage of all the gun owners out there.

Further, if we follow your logic, we should also sue S&W for the ammo shortage. It is much more common to expect that ammo will be available when you buy a gun, but it isn't. Especially .22LR.

By the way, no one is going to buy another gun just to get a couple of mags.

If you'd stop and think about it, your logic is circular. If they are so concerned with fleecing us, wouldn't they make more money by selling more? Thus, having mags available would mean more money for them. Seriously, I'm sure they are making mags as fast as they can.
 
Ya it would be nice to get some more mags, but I'm satisfied with the two that came with it. I would never let magazine availability affect my decision to buy a firearm. If that's all your basing your decision off of your being nearsighted and not seeing the whole picture.
 
It is pretty clear that most of the country will not be getting an additional ban at this point.

I don't know where you came up with this idea.You must not read the paper or watch the news.

The anti's lost and it was embarrassing for them. They'll be back at it if they win in 2014, but if they get their arses kicked in 2014 & 2016, they'll not speak of gun control for another decade. They will not bring the issue back up before 2014, despite the barking of some leftists trying to appease the kook fringe of their base by occasionally making a comment. They know very well this issue is a big time loser for them. Privately they anti's are already bracing for backlash in 2014, they don't want to add fuel to the fire.
 
8 months....I ordered an M&P 17rd mag from the S&W Store back in December and my account was just hit for the charge yesterday. No notice, no confirmation that I still wanted it, no shipping notice, just a charge on my card. I'm sure that's what I agreed to, but it was still a bit of a surprise.

Only, problem? I sold my M&P during the the idiocy. So, give me a few days for it to show up and I'll have a brand new factory fresh M&P mag in the classifieds!
 

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