CCW: Keep one in the pipe?

[johnsonl]

Okay, listen up you meatheads. You really expect to always have time to rack a round? If you do you better do more research. ALWAYS have one in the chamber, keep the safety off or on according to your preference. But never give the bad guy a chance to shoot you while you are trying to rack a round. Or else carry a revolver.

He said, "Meat heads".
I like him!

 

[David Sinko]

It looks to me like that Galco holster has been deliberately tweaked to get the leather to contact the trigger like that. Or maybe somebody needs to cut his fingernails more often.

Dave Sinko

 

[MP22]

Okay, listen up you meatheads. You really expect to always have time to rack a round? If you do you better do more research. ALWAYS have one in the chamber, keep the safety off or on according to your preference. But never give the bad guy a chance to shoot you while you are trying to rack a round. Or else carry a revolver.

There's a bad guy behind every bush....got to walk the streets with you hand on the trigger.....>LOL....LOL. What kind of bedtime stories were you told as a child....to put in your words....meathead.

 

[Arik]

Not behind EVERY bush but can you predict which bush he is behind?

I know when i was 12 my mom and i got mugged, as we came around a building towards the parking lot in broad day light. Guess what?!? Turns out there was a crackhead behind that bush. Too bad my spidy sense didnt kick in otherwise i would have know he was there. The parking lot attendant who saw the whole thing didnt help nor did he want to call the cops. I remember it like it was yesterday his words "keep me out of this"

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[feralmerril]

I am a revolver guy. I do have a 1911 remington rand that has had a lot of work done on it by pachmeyer many years ago. Target sights etc. Also have a nice rig for it. I have never seriously packed it. I am aware of all the arguments on carrying it.
I heard on the news where a milwaukee cop was in a resturant in winter, hung his overcoat on a rack, it fell off the rack and the gun fired hitting another customer in the neck. This was many years ago, I never was able to find out what type gun it was.
I carried revolvers on my job for 35 years. Thats what was issued us and what we trained and qualified with. No doubt that is the big reason I am comfortable with a revolver. My holster is the type that I can put the strap between the hammer and frame so I would feel comfortable with it cocked and locked. However I dont think I would feel quite as safe were I to carry it like that sans holster and just stuffed in my wasteband ala mexican carry.

 

[Doug M.]

Carrying what you were trained with and used well for 25 years is a very good idea. I recall hearing of an old cop who brought a 30-30 lever action rifle to a carbine course and did very well - because he was a hard guy and had worked with that rifle for a LONG TIME. It was not the rifle that made the difference, it was the user. I was in a class with him a few years later, and he used an AR. Oddly enough, he did just fine with that, too.

Same thing with other old revolver users. There are a lot of hard men who used them for years and did just fine in a fight.

 

[Sayoc01]

I carry cocked & locked! I was in a conversation with an Israel retired troop yrs ago & we discussed this topic.He carried a Browning & could draw, rack & shoot unbelivably fast!!I asked,"how much practice"?He replied,8hrs.daily 7 days a week! He gave me some instruction I tried it for awhile .Can I do it now.....yep...but I'm used to cocked & locked!
Jim

 

[Enzo]

I carry with 6 rounds chambered.

I carry a 686 plus so I have 7 rounds chambered .

 

[66Park]

In a scenario where you are defending your life, milliseconds can make all the difference. Carry a gun you understand and can deploy rapidly. You need a round in the chamber.

 

[66Park]

I carry cocked & locked! I was in a conversation with an Israel retired troop yrs ago & we discussed this topic.He carried a Browning & could draw, rack & shoot unbelivably fast!!I asked,"how much practice"?He replied,8hrs.daily 7 days a week! He gave me some instruction I tried it for awhile .Can I do it now.....yep...but I'm used to cocked & locked!
Jim

I carried for years with my 1911 cocked and locked. I felt totally safe with it that way, and it was really quick to get into action. I didn't have to practice 8 hours daily seven days a week either!

 

[snubbyfan]

Here's another one: my brother has a (later model) .357 magnum. Six round revolver, right? He puts in FOUR!!!

His logic is that he doesn't want one in the chamber, and he keeps the next chamber empty in case he pulls the trigger, pulling it out of the holster.

Military veteran: sometimes you just can't tell anyone how to live right. Eh?

I got this to say about that. Huh?

 

[CO_Kid]

I actually worked with a cop who didn't carry one in the pipe (we used Glock 22s).

Of course he was as worthless as a cop as Captain Hook is as a gynecologist, so it shouldn't have surprised me.

 

[JeepLvr]

Anyone who carries a semi-auto without one in the chamber does not understand why he is carrying a weapon in the first place.

My wife and I both carry semi-autos DAO. Same as a revolver. There goes that debate out the window.

If you find yourself in a defensive situation with a gun, you have a second or less to respond. I am not going to bet my family's lives on me wasting seconds to cycle a round into the chamber. It had better already be there.

The OP's friend who won't carry with one in the chamber needs to learn more about his weapon. He obviously doesn't understand how it things work.

 

[JeepLvr]

Here's another one: my brother has a (later model) .357 magnum. Six round revolver, right? He puts in FOUR!!!

His logic is that he doesn't want one in the chamber, and he keeps the next chamber empty in case he pulls the trigger, pulling it out of the holster.

Military veteran: sometimes you just can't tell anyone how to live right. Eh?

OK...that's just crazy.

And a military vet? Well, military vet could be anyone from a special forces rambo killing machine to a typewriter admin assistant.

Sorry, but as a mililtary vet I find it hard to believe that anyone who is worried about pulling the trigger while pulling the weapon out of the holster has any real weapons training. Granted, I know people with training who have done that, but it's not common. I know many people in the military that have very little weapons training, but keeping two slots open in the cylinder? Crazy.

If keeping two open slots in the cylinder is to avoid an accidental discharge then he shouldn't be carrying it in the first place.

 

[Quarterhorse]

Condition 1 in my 1911 every time I'm out with it.

I also carry what could be considered condition 1 in my XD when I'm out with it as well.

 

[Donn]

Carry a revolver and all this becomes academic. There's always one in the pipe and one handed operation's no big deal. Just sayin...

 

[Old cop]

I would hate to think that anyone got hurt listening to some of the internet cowboys out there, things will not go down you way you envision. If you don't feel comfortable w/a round chambered then get a revolver. During my 30 year LEO days I had to use my service weapon (a revolver) more than once and believe me you will not have time to do that cool "chamber a round" thing seen in the movies. If you don't have training, get some, practice & get real!

 

[thinblueline]

One of my CCW shooting buddies (mag-fed-semi-auto) tells me he doesn't carry a round in the chamber. He uses a crotch holster, guess he's nervous he might have a negligent discharge. Ouch!

He says stuff like: "I've been carrying for years, I will always have time to get one in the pipe."

I say: what if you are wounded and can't use two hands? He starts showing me how he can chamber by holding the semi-auto up against his levi's and pushing on the slide.

Anyone else feel like this guy?

Now that is the kind of carry mentality that will get you killed. As others have said, carry it ready to go or dont carry it at all.

 

[ParadiseRoad]

...all you guys are gonna do what you think is right...but let me tell you a little story. I know a guy who took the magazine out of a .380 and then proceeded to blow a neat hole in an expensive Oriental rug and the hardwood floor beneath.

Later he blew the toe off of his right boot (expensive sharkskins) with a Single Action Army. You would think these two accidents would have cured him...but it got worse.

The next one occured when he took a shot with an "unloaded .32-20 revolver" at a mirror in his house...blew holes through three walls and had a real serious fight with his wife.

The last one this unfortunate fellow had was with a cocked and locked 1911...that round went off in his pick-up going under the dash...he found out that winter when he turned on the heater exactly where it went.

You guys must be saying by now "man...this idiot should have never gotten anywhere near a gun"...well this "idiot" was Skeeter Skelton...if you don't believe me ...turn to page 306 in his book "Good Friends, Good Guns, Good Whiskey" and read for yourself.

Skeeter was man enough to admit what he did and what can happen...I have had two ADs myself...one with a Walker Colt replica and one while I was unloading an old Ithaca 37 12 gauge. Both times I was following basic safe firearms practice and the round went in a safe direction.

I carry my 1991a1 with an empty chamber...and go to condition one when I feel the situation warrants...which has been once in twenty years. I dont go looking for trouble...and I live in an area where there is very little crime (because there are very few people) but I do pass through some rough areas while traveling.

Good luck to you all...but if you're gonna call me an idiot...you're gonna hafta call Skeeter one too.

Oh...and when that first AD happens to you...me and Skeeter told you so...

 

[jlrhiner]

...all you guys are gonna do what you think is right...but let me tell you a little story. I know a guy who took the magazine out of a .380 and then proceeded to blow a neat hole in an expensive Oriental rug and the hardwood floor beneath.

Later he blew the toe off of his right boot (expensive sharkskins) with a Single Action Army. You would think these two accidents would have cured him...but it got worse.

The next one occured when he took a shot with an "unloaded .32-20 revolver" at a mirror in his house...blew holes through three walls and had a real serious fight with his wife.

The last one this unfortunate fellow had was with a cocked and locked 1911...that round went off in his pick-up going under the dash...he found out that winter when he turned on the heater exactly where it went.

You guys must be saying by now "man...this idiot should have never gotten anywhere near a gun"...well this "idiot" was Skeeter Skelton...if you don't believe me ...turn to page 306 in his book "Good Friends, Good Guns, Good Whiskey" and read for yourself.

Skeeter was man enough to admit what he did and what can happen...I have had two ADs myself...one with a Walker Colt replica and one while I was unloading an old Ithaca 37 12 gauge. Both times I was following basic safe firearms practice and the round went in a safe direction.

I carry my 1991a1 with an empty chamber...and go to condition one when I feel the situation warrants...which has been once in twenty years. I dont go looking for trouble...and I live in an area where there is very little crime (because there are very few people) but I do pass through some rough areas while traveling.

Good luck to you all...but if you're gonna call me an idiot...you're gonna hafta call Skeeter one too.

Oh...and when that first AD happens to you...me and Skeeter told you so...

Wrong is wrong no matter who does it. once again, if your not comfortable or competent with a single action pistol cocked and locked, DONT CARRY ONE.

Remember, if you get killed trying to rack the slide, Col. Cooper and I told you so.