CCW: Keep one in the pipe?

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Well, I was typing faster than I was thinking. It should read 30+ years, not 40. Heck, Im not that old! ;)

But your right. Ive never understood why people feel it necessary to rewrite doctrine. It always bothers me because they write this hocum up, and some folks get ALL their knowledge from the web. Its a great disservice at least, and dangerous at the worst.
 
This is the problem with mental midgets who want to CC. They just buy whatever they think is cool or comfortable and think its good enough or just as good. This thought process should not be used around guns. TV, laptops, jeans...sure maybe.....but not weapons. They dont bother to read up on how different guns have different applications and function. Ive talked a few people out of carrying certain guns because they were never designed for modern day CC and SD. They were designed as a sidearm for an officer and a last resort for a battle from 80 years ago. For all we know this guy could have been carrying a Tokarev or a more modern compact 9mm version, the M88. Neither are meant to carry one in the chamber because there is no safety and with the hammer down its resting on the firing pin which is resting on the primer. Modern guns, polymer or not, do not go off just willy nilly. And I dont care how many safeties the other guns have, they are stupid and useless. They can break, be deactivated accidentally, malfunction you name it it can happen. There are only 2 safeties that are most important on a gun.

1st safety....is what is located between the owners ears. If the owner cant rub two brain cells together to properly understand how his firearm functions and what he needs to do to carry it, if at all, he or she should not be buying firearms.(This is not rocket science people) There are a lot of smaller sub sections to this like knowing what type of holster works best for a particular firearm, how to PROPERLY wear that holster and when to junk it. How to dress around a gun as opposed to buying a gun around your dress. (there are compromises)

2nd safety......is the said owner's booger hook. Thats right, keeping fingers off of triggers solves 99% of NDs

All the other mechanical safeties are there just to fill that small percent between the first 2 safeties and the unforeseen
 
Every gun i CCW carry is ready to rock n roll within a split second the gun is unholstered. Having a very short window for a quick shot could save your life in a bad situation. I do prefer a CZ pistol with the double action on the first shot but i do carry the 1911's time to time with one in the pipe.

There have been more accidents with unloaded, unchambered guns. I carry one way and only one way its chambered, cocked and locked with my 1911's. My CZ's allow me to carry with the hammer half way down its locked in that position till i run the double action then its semi auto after that first round goes off. I know my CCW gun is loaded all the time. Never change between chambered and not chambered its a train wreck waiting to happen. I haven't had a problem in 40 years with my CCW carry.
 
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BigBill said:
Every gun i CCW carry is ready to rock n roll within a split second the gun is unholstered. Having a very short window for a quick shot could save your life in a bad situation. I do prefer a CZ pistol with the double action on the first shot but i do carry the 1911's time to time with one in the pipe.
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CZ or 1911, the principle is the same. Due to living in Illinois, I am no longer able to carry anything, unfortunately. I did for many years and put a lot of thought, training, and practice into it. A self defense concealed carry gun is a personal choice, but, in my opinion, if a person has chosen a gun for that role that is dangerous to carry with a round in the chamber, they need to rethink their choice, as that is not a suitable gun for concealed carry.
 
Photoman44 said:
There are times when it is appropriate to carry "empty chamber."
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When you're on a range and range rules or the range officer so instruct.

I can think of no other, certainly no other where there's even the SLIGHTEST possibility that I might need to defend myself from unlawful deadly force.
 
cmort666 said:
I can think of no other, certainly no other where there's even the SLIGHTEST possibility that I might need to defend myself from unlawful deadly force.
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There are certain situations where holster carry is not the best option. Those that have been there, know what I'm talking about. If your gun is a striker fired, no manual safety gun like a Glock, empty chamber becomes a better option.

I understand that very few will agree with me on this and that's OK. Not many, fortunately, are put into the types of situations where this mode of carry is called for.
 
kanew said "That's most worthless excuse I ever heard.

There's no such thing as an AD and if you keep your stinkin finger off the trigger, you won't have such problems."

I immediately thought- yes, that's why they technically call it a ND these days. Ayoob says he never calls 'em ADs anymore- and I'm pretty sure he had one, too.
 
Chuck1217 said:
kanew said "That's most worthless excuse I ever heard.

There's no such thing as an AD and if you keep your stinkin finger off the trigger, you won't have such problems."

I immediately thought- yes, that's why they technically call it a ND these days. Ayoob says he never calls 'em ADs anymore- and I'm pretty sure he had one, too.
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Someone once told me that there are those who have had an ND, and there are those that will. Sorry, but I'm not that pessimistic and it sounds like a sorry excuse when you do have one. I have no trouble keeping my finger off the trigger.

We all live by a set of rules. If you can't follow those simple rules, don't play with guns.
 
lhump1961 said:
A carry gun with a 3lb trigger?? IMHO that is not a proper carry gun...
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My Glock 19 and Glock 22 have 3.5lb. connectors.

They don't go off unless you pull the trigger.

You can't pull the trigger without drawing them.

You shouldn't be drawing unless you mean to shoot.
 
ParadiseRoad said:
...let's talk risk reward...

...for being in the "highest state of practical readiness" ...the gentleman in the Sparks movie theatre now probably faces...

...thousands in medical bills...hopefully he has insurance that will cover it...

...a probable lawsuit by the theatre chain...especially if he carried past a "No CCW Allowed" sign...(yes a private property owner has the right to disallow CCW)...

...Individual lawsuits from everyone in the theatre for endangering their lives...

...loss of his CCW at least temporarily...I'm guessing permanently...

...if he is charged and convicted of a crime with a possible sentence of over one year...he loses his right to keep and bear arms permanently...

...all because he had to be in the "highest state of practical readiness"...
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He is not likely to face any of these consequences here in Nevada. No a private property owner does not have the right to disallow CCW under Nevada law.

Ken
 
I carry a revolver and have 11 rounds immediately available...because I carry two revolvers. When I carried an M1911A1, it was cocked and locked with a round in the chamber. When I carried an M9, it was on safe with a round in the chamber. When I carried a CZ-75, it was cocked and locked. When I carried a Glock, there was a round in the chamber. With a Glock the holster must cover the trigger guard and be hard sided. (I used a Kramer horsehide IWB holster.)

ECS
 
I don't get the empty chamber argument. Bad guys are not in the habit of giving a lot of warning when they are about to attack.
When you are in the parking lot of Walmart and three or more thugs seem to come out of the woodwork you had better have one in the chamber. If they catch you off guard, you may not even have time to draw, much less rack the slide. But leave the chamber empty if you wish, it doesn't matter to me.
 
I carry my CZ 82 chambered, it has the double action first shot then it's semi auto after that. I carry my 1911 hammer locked back and chambered.
I do prefer my auto to be double action.
 
Down at Thunder Ranch years back, Clint Smith had our class practice one-hand chambering drills, strong and weak side. We worked our slides off belts, rigs, barriers, and upper legs to simulate having to rack and shoot with only one functional limb. It wasn't an easy task, and we weren't under stress or time parameters. A self defense situation that requires an immediate action/reaction under duress and time constraints might involve using a single hand, weak-side or strong-side ... having a CCW pistol without a chambered round could end in tragedy if a person is not extremely skilled in one-hand chambering drills. I don't think the majority of CCWs are skilled in that area, nor have many (any) tried a one-hand chambering drill, let alone practiced.

In the past, I've heard the bluster and bravado about being able to draw, rack, and shoot fast enough to compensate for carrying with an empty chamber. I always think of the clapping scene with Yul Brynner and Horst Buchholtz from "The Magnificent Seven".

I carry revolvers. No muss, no fuss. No worries.
 
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