cmort666
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The way some of the anti-chambered round people talk, they'd carry a revolver with the hammer down on an empty chamber, even if it wasn't an SAA or clone.
CCW: Keep one in the pipe?
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I did not assert that drawing a firearm is the best or worst thing you can do. My point is - whatever you are going to try to employ, you are way to late. The key here is SA and if the attacker is that close and your radar isn't picking up the threat then you are already at a disadvantage. As far as cutting yourself - I agree, you better get the training and practice for an edged weapon. I would not rely on one weapon - handgun or edged - they are just tools, and the best tool you have is between your ears.
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Not necessarily too late. If some space can be created between the threat and the victim a handgun can still be brought into action, but it's best if a round is already chambered. The less things to deal with the better.
dondavis3
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I always have one in the pipe
RalphMP9FS
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Keeping one in the pipe without a manual safety engaged or extensive firearms training is akin to building a home on a shoddy foundation.
cmort666
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Does that mean that the only revolvers that should be carried are ones with a manual safety, like a Reichsrevolver?
Protected One
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Does that mean that the only revolvers that should be carried are ones with a manual safety, like a Reichsrevolver?
YES!....and make sure it's connected to a lanyard as well.
RalphMP9FS
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Does that mean that the only revolvers that should be carried are ones with a manual safety, like a Reichsrevolver?
No it doesn't, just single action semi's that have trigger pulls under 7#. I should have stated that.
That's just... not true at all. The only "extensive" training you need are the 4 firearm safety rules. Which you should be following before handling a firearm to begin with. The only additional "training" is Don't be an idiot, keep your finger off the trigger, have a good holster, don't draw and reholster your weapon unnecessarily, and you'll be fine. That's it. If somebody can't carry with a round in the chamber without shooting themselves they shouldn't be carrying a firearm in the first place.
Note I'm not saying someone who chooses to carry with the chamber empty shouldn't carry at all, nor am I criticizing them for making that choice. I'm simply refuting the notion that you need special training to carry with a round in the chamber. That's just asinine.
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The only way to reduce a ND is through proper training, and a lot of it. Most people that carry do not have the proper training, so with that in mind, a manual operated safety or a heavier trigger pull will reduce the chance of a ND. It's asinine to disagree with that.
Everybody should practice with their firearms. Professional training is a nice thing to have if you can afford it. But you don't need a thousand dollar week long class to learn not to pull the trigger if you don't want the gun to go bang or to not allow clothing or foreign objects into the holster or trigger guard while holstering or unholstering. You just have to not be an idiot. Everybody should be practicing these principals if they carry a handgun period, regardless of if there is a manual safety or not. If you're safe and responsible, you're fine. Not being safe is not being safe: a safety isn't an idiot proof switch, and you don't need "advanced" training not to be an idiot.
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Looks like Jay Carney joined the discussion.
And, never fly in a small plane, hunt dangerous game, or drink cheap beer and eat jalepeno peppers at the same time.
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How far can we take this?
-If you don't trust yourself to always hit the bad guy and never ever hit a bystander then you shouldn't be carrying a gun.
-If you don't have every specific CCW carry law memorized and understood as your state supreme court understands it then you shouldn't be carrying a gun.
-If you can't draw and put two in the torso in less than 3 seconds at 21 feet then you shouldn't be carrying a gun.
-If you........
You see? Where do these arbitrary and cliché standards come from? Oh wait, just answered my own question.. Cliché.
How about this. If you have not done an assessment of why you carry and you do not have an understanding of the risks and laws associated with CCW, and you are not willing to draw and fire when you make an assessment that doing so is the only way to prevent you or someone close from being a victim of harm then you should not be carrying a gun.
Your gun, your life, your CCW permit. Make your own decision.
cmort666
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But make that decision honestly.
Most of the excuses I see for not carrying with a round in the chamber indicate a greater fear of ones own firearm than of a violent assailant.
If that's how somebody feels, they should be honest about it.
Truth be told, if I was in such terror of my own defensive tool, I wouldn't carry it.
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He sounds like the type who'd shoot his equipment off.
I think maybe you take it a bit too far. Then again maybe we just disagree. Most of the reasons I see for C3 is to add a layer of safety beyond C1 and to me, that's being as honest as you can be.
I agree with most of the C1 side when I say that I don't see the need for that layer of safety but I don't think they are more afraid of their weapon either just because they want another layer of safety.
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I'll be open and honest here...
I have several rimfire rifles and love to target benchrest shoot.
I have never had a centerfire gun until I bought my 9mm SD9VE. When I bought it, I was intimidated by it. After all, one mistake could equal death. But my feeling was better to be cautious than careless.
After I spent some time at the range, I gained confidence. Why? Because I learned my weapon. I know what it's going to do, and how to make it do it. I'm now confident with that 9mm. I would carry it with one in the chamber if I had it on me.
Tonight, I picked up my new carry gun. A Ruger LCP with laser. Once again, I'm intimidated at the thought of carrying this on me. Why? I know how to shoot now, and I shoot very well. I can handle my more powerful 9mm, so why am I intimidated again at this little 380?
Simple. I have not shot it yet. I don't know it yet. I don't know the feel for the trigger, or sensitive it is, or for that matter I don't know yet what it's like to carry it on me and draw it from someplace on my body.
Once I take it to the range, I'll learn it. Then I'll have no problem carrying it loaded on me. Because I'll know how it works and what makes it go off.
I think a LOT of people buy a carry gun, and never learn to shoot it properly, or enough times to be confident in it's function. And those are the dangerous people. Those are the people you hear with the accidental discharges. Someone who KNOWS his weapon isn't going to have that issue, IMO.
BTW, thank you to cmort666 for your post. It actually opened my own eyes to why I was feeling intimidated again, and made me realize I just need seat time with this new gun.
If the firearm has a manual safety, right? Otherwise . . .
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