CCW Reciprocity

According to Missouri Attorney General's Office :: Concealed Weapons :: Concealed Carry Reciprocity

MO does NOT recognized Iowa permits. And that is from the MO Atty Gen website. This simply due to the State of Iowa not having a state wide carry permit in place.

This is my understanding as well. I believe since Iowa will not recognize any other states permits, there is no resiprocity (sp?) so, your Iowa permit is only valid in Iowa. In addition, I believe the current Iowa permits are not even good in every county there. Screwy deal there for certain.

I do not believe the IA Gov has signed the new "shall issue" legislation even though he indicated that he will.
 
I do not believe the IA Gov has signed the new "shall issue" legislation even though he indicated that he will.

Even if the Gov signs, which he may well do, the law would not be immediately implemented. Likely it would be the first of next year before the law is in place and all the support agencies set up.

Then there is legislation needed to get the reciprocity agreements with other states. Both states would have to get approval for it to happen and that takes place only with the assistance of at least three state operations on each side. Here it would be the LA State Police, the LA Attorney General and the LA legislature. Since the wheels of government move slowly, how long do you think it will take to get the agreements signed?
 
Again I'll state that the Missouri Attorney Generals web site is clearly referring to which states honor MISSOURI'S carry permits, not the other way around. In my OP I referred to the fact I contacted the AG's office (and got their phone number from this web site) and spoke to the assistant AG himself. He confirmed that yes, Missouri honors Iowa permits, even though Iowa doesn't honor theirs (yet). Also the Highway patrol confirmed this, as does the Iowacarry web site. Don't want to beat a dead horse here, but I did my homework.
Also. yes, Iowa permits are good in every county in the state. I've had one for 25 years, and this has always been the case.
Now, off to church.
 
Again I'll state that the Missouri Attorney Generals web site is clearly referring to which states honor MISSOURI'S carry permits, not the other way around. In my OP I referred to the fact I contacted the AG's office (and got their phone number from this web site) and spoke to the assistant AG himself. He confirmed that yes, Missouri honors Iowa permits, even though Iowa doesn't honor theirs (yet). Also the Highway patrol confirmed this, as does the Iowacarry web site. Don't want to beat a dead horse here, but I did my homework.
Also. yes, Iowa permits are good in every county in the state. I've had one for 25 years, and this has always been the case.
Now, off to church.

Still not beating a dead horse, but the link here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf
says Iowa honors MO but Mo does not honor Iowa.

I read the MO laws on concealed carry and it plainly shows they do not honor Iowa permits.

As to asking the AG, it is likely you only spoke with an Assistant AG and they are unlikely to even look things up but just give a blanket answer. I have this happen all the time when even face to face with a District Atty and then in court, they deny every giving a legal opinion on the question at hand. What matters is what the LAW says in writing and that is what the Judge is going to go by.

The good part is most LEO will not bother to bring charges against an out of state person for such since getting them back for trial would be difficult and expensive. They will just let you go.

I have been in law enforcement for over 38 yrs and do not know all the laws and since laws change each year, no person knows all the laws even the judges. I know LA honors several states but I do not know all of them.

I also know that many states will honor, say FL, permits but will not honor non resident FL permits. It is a thin line to walk but the burden of proof is on the permitee and not on the State. You would not get anyone from the AG office to ever admit even talking with you.
 
When traveling you should have a CURRENT list of laws in all the states you will be traveling through. (printed out and in a folder) You should know each states laws. New Jersey had at one time a Felony charge for non LEO persons carrying Jacketed Hollow Points or so a teaching retired Ohio police chief told me. (when John Corizine was Govenor of New Jersey????) Some people think if they have a CCW they can just travel across the country and some even try to enter Canada, what a mess that can turn into.

The hollow point statute has been in effect for nearly two decades, when NJ passed a series of laws to mimic the Clinton ban, and added some of their own little extras. While hollow points are legal to possess in your home and at the range, they are illegal elsewhere, unless you are going to and from a range, competitive event, or hunting trip. Most of this doesn't matter since CCW is "may issue" (by county judges) and the only one's who get them are politicians, celebrities, and organized crime figures. They DO NOT honor any other state's CCW permits/license.
Hunting is limited to shotgun and muzzleloader only, as well, so centerfire rifle and handgun hunting with hollow points is also moot.
Finally, God help you if you shoot an intruder in your home with a hollow point! Most NJ residents in the know load FMJ and lead solids, or use the Glaser Safety Slug equivalents to limit penetration issues. The shotgun option is also popular (no slugs or buck shot, of course).
The "logic" of this statute probably came out of the NATO, etc. rules mandating FMJ ammo for "humanitarian" reasons. The "cop-killer" moniker also entered into this as well. The issue of penetration never entered the minds of those who created this.
Law enforcement in NJ, BTW, may still use HP ammo, thank goodness. The crooks, of course, ignore all of this, until they're shot with one while in the act of robbing/threatening you in your home. Then they sue you for your use of those "cruel bullets".
 
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I hear ya nyc54. I live in Pennsylvania but work in New Jersey. I use to get Buffalo Bore LSWCHP's shipped to my office and the drive them home. Then I thought what if I get stopped for speeding or something and the officer finds my hollow points. I don't want to get in trouble and go to court to defend myself so they are shipped to my home in PA now.
 
Still not beating a dead horse, but the link here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf
says Iowa honors MO but Mo does not honor Iowa.

I read the MO laws on concealed carry and it plainly shows they do not honor Iowa permits.

As to asking the AG, it is likely you only spoke with an Assistant AG and they are unlikely to even look things up but just give a blanket answer.
I certainly respect your opinion as an LEO, but Iowacarry is very thorough in their research about reciprocity. I won't argue the fact that sometimes legal counsel may give off the cuff advice, I'm sure you speak from experience on that matter ,but that still leaves the Missouri Highway patrol, who also confirms the fact that Missouri honors Iowa's carry permits. The Missouri CCW laws are fairly new, I believe, and these facts may not yet be reflected in this matter.
I suspect that is why the St. Louis PD and that counties Sheriffs Dept. initially advised they don't honor Iowa permits. Local Depts. are probably not always up to speed on these issues as soon as State agencies. I'm just speculating, and once again do not wish to disrespect any agencies mentioned, or anyone on here who may not agree with my findings. I am merely reporting on what I have found. I am a licensed Private Investigator, so I have some experience in finding information. I guess it boils down to two local depts. who, when presented with my findings, referred me elsewhere, against the Missouri Attorney Generals Office and the Missouri Highway Patrol both confirming the fact that Missouri does honor Iowa permits,in addition to Iowacarry.
I certainly don't want to offend anyone on this forum, but these are my findings, and I am satisfied that although Iowa does not yet honor any other states permits, (stay tuned, that should change soon), several states honor Iowa's, including Missouri.
 
your Iowa permit is only valid in Iowa.

13 states honor IA (and other states') permits without any need for reciprocal agreements, including my state of OK.
In addition, AK and VT allow carry without any license.
So there's 15 states you can carry in without any reciprocal agreements:
AZ, UT ID, MT, SD, NE, OK, TX, MO, IN, KY, TN, MI, VT, AK
 
P@R Fan,

The Link you provided for Handgunlaw.us does not say that Iowa honors any state permits. Read the header on the lists. The First page list a state and what states honor its permits. The Second page list a state and what permits it honors. Out from Iowa it states. Iowa does not honor any other states permits.

PDL,

You can have HP's Loaded in your defensive firearm at home. I should have said in your home. NJ Has no law saying you can't have them loaded in your defensive firearm inside your home.
 
Gary,
I didn't originally post that link, but I agree, as of RIGHT NOW, Iowa does not honor any other states permits. However, our state legislature (democrat controlled) just passed a shall issue law that is reported to include reciprocity issues pertaining to Iowa honoring other states permits. Our democrat Governor is supposedly going to sign it, will wonders never cease. I was well aware of the fact Iowa does not presently honor other states permits. The main issue we seem to be having a discussion on is what states honor Iowa's. See my previous posts for my position.
 
Here's an email I received today from an official in Iowa.
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Shall issue legislation has passed the Iowa legislature and is awaiting signature by the governor. When signed, the new law will allow Iowa to recognize carry permits issued in any other state. The effective date will be January 1, 2011.

Sam Knowles
Program Services Bureau
Iowa Dept. of Public Safety
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For those of us with FL and/or UT multi-state CCW permits it looks like we'll be legal in Iowa in 2011.
 
The IOWA law gives power to decide which states CCW to recognize to the Commissioner of Public Safety and directs him to make comparisons to IOWA's law. Utah may be in trouble because Utah does not require shooting to qualifiy for CCW. Last year NEVADA quit recognizig Utah for that reason.
 
IOWA "Shall Issue"

We travel through Iowa a couple times a year and I have an Arizona CCW.
This is the reply is received from IOWA DPS when I asked about the new law.

Larry,
The Governor has not signed the bill yet. If he does, it will not be in effect until January 1, 2011.



Linda Stevens
[email protected]
Iowa Department of Public Safety
Program Services Bureau
215 East 7th Street
Des Moines, IA 50319
Phone: (515) 725-6231
FAX: (515) 725-6264
 
Iowa reciprocity

Personally, I hope they will recognize my MN permit: I drive through Iowa to South Dakota each time I visit my grandchildren...... Legal carry would be a relief.

Graytwo
 
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