Kodiakco
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I could not have asked for anymore!
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Chrome Lined Barrels and Chambers.....
- Thread starter Rule 303
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I just looked at the S&W website and they list the civilian ones as having chromed barrel bores, but the Sport model isn't chromed.
I guess neither is the VTAC or the fixed stock.
I hope all the LE ones are chromed, I just ordered a couple and they are in the mail now...
I guess neither is the VTAC or the fixed stock.
I hope all the LE ones are chromed, I just ordered a couple and they are in the mail now...
The guns on the LE site show the same model numbers as the standard site. All of the 16" 556 carbines list chrome lining. You should be gtg.
Kodiakco
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If they are not chrome and are Melonite you will be no worse off.
BadKarmaZeroSix
US Veteran
Um is milspec underwear characterized by tighter elastic, or same tension but with longer service time?
Maddmax
US Veteran
It's tighter thread count to keep the boys happy
The elastic is heat sensitive and conforms to your actual body size to keep best blood flow for circulation between the upper and lower half of your body. The tighter thread count is also heat sensitive for winter and summer wear. In hot summer months it expands almost like netting for air flow keeping body heat lower. In winter it contracts to a thinner thread count to keep body heat in. It is also self cleaning and repells skid marks in the aft section. It's also reversable and has a half life of 32 years. Biodegradable if left in direct sunlight for 72 minutes and 7 seconds.
Maddmax
US Veteran
Actually, its the 4150 steel, hard chromed cup that really pays big dividends for extreme use.
Have you ever shot real combat carbines...you know they look nice and pretty sitting there in the Armory, Depending upon your situation is whether you can customize it or not. Mostly not. You are right they will shoot, and they will do it in the direction you want them too. But they are not near as nice as mine nor near as accurate. The thread started out with some person making a flat statement that He wouldn't own anything without a chrome chamber and Chrome lined barrel. And now it is drifting off into milspec and tdp and ladedadedaaa! Its a dead horse we have beaten it into the dirt more than a few times. Some people require mil-spec and some eat, breathe and live the TDP, some of us just happen to like our Sporting Rifles without all the BS, our rifles are not constrained to a dated set of materials and procedures. I have run my Sports enough now to know, through select fire hardware in my lower and lets go to war. But that's not what its for. So to each their own!
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BadKarmaZeroSix
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At least the posts about "mil-spec underwear" didnt start in the "reloading" forum, i prob would have skipped right over the idea of those 2 topics together...lol
Yes, of course. That is why I prefer them.
Modern chromed barrels are plenty accurate for most uses. I've owned several that would shoot MOA. Unless you want a prairie dog rifle, MOA is certainly accurate enough.
Standards ARE NOT BS for anyone that prefers to have the most reliable AR platform available.
The "Sport" is obviously the ultimate in AR15s. Amazingly, S&W markets it as an econo gun and unloads them cheap.
BadKarmaZeroSix
US Veteran
Just to be clear, mil-spec is simply a standard for MINIMUM requirements...there are many options/features that can outperform a mil-spec standardized weapon...my point (and the point i think others are trying to make) is that just because its the std for the military doesnt necessarily make it top of the line...in SOME cases what the military chooses to utilize could be "best available option", but many times it isnt, simply because many elite items cant be constructed or produced in large enough quantities, or efficiently, or just cheap enough for the military to consider...
And my Sport is one heck of a prairie dog gun. Its a difference of opinion that no one will win and really no one looses. You are perfectly happy with milspec and I am perfectly happy with S&W spec. There ya have it!!
MichiganScott
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Yes, of course. That is why I prefer them.
Modern chromed barrels are plenty accurate for most uses. I've owned several that would shoot MOA. Unless you want a prairie dog rifle, MOA is certainly accurate enough.
Standards ARE NOT BS for anyone that prefers to have the most reliable AR platform available.
The "Sport" is obviously the ultimate in AR15s. Amazingly, S&W markets it as an econo gun and unloads them cheap.
The answer to what you perceive to be the problem is simple. Buy something besides a S&W.
Or buy a chrome lined M&P15 (which is what I did).
To clarify, I like the M&P rifle line very much. My issue here isn't that options deviating from the specs are terrible. For some they may make sense (price point). My issue is that people will buy an econo AR and then make false claims (the specs are outdated technology, chrome barrels are inaccurate, etc) to justify their purchase and claim that it is better than a top tier rifle that meets more of the mil spec. That just isn't true for many standard uses (competition, LE, home defense, etc).
In the end, we all get to buy what we want. For anyone new to the AR, it would be nice if they could come here and get accurate information to make a buying decision. That is why I am posting in this thread. Hopefully someone in cyber land will find the information I have posted helpful.
V-Maxsplat. I appreciate your opinions and the right to have them. Not talking about the rest of the rifle. Just talking about the barrel. I have empirical data that shows definitely that the Melonite Process by whatever name it is called, exceeds Chrome in every characteristic other than price of production. You cannot do that for Chrome, chrome was compared to plain steel barrels. It far surpassed them. Melonite has been compared to both and beats them, testing done by an independent company that doesn't build gun products. Can you show me the data to prove otherwise?
Kodiakco
Member
I doubt it, due to your very aggressive, non-wavering stance on the subject and discounting the evidence that has been presented to you in an overall cordial manner. As of yet NO false claims have been made. YOU may perceive them as such. Perception in your case is not reality.Or buy a chrome lined M&P15 (which is what I did).
My issue here isn't that options deviating from the specs are terrible. For some they may make sense (price point). My issue is that people will buy an econo AR and then make false claims (the specs are outdated technology, chrome barrels are inaccurate, etc) to justify their purchase and claim that it is better than a top tier rifle that meets more of the mil spec. That just isn't true for many standard uses (competition, LE, home defense, etc).
In the end, we all get to buy what we want. For anyone new to the AR, it would be nice if they could come here and get accurate information to make a buying decision. That is why I am posting in this thread. Hopefully someone in cyber land will find the information I have posted helpful.
There are several "top-tier" weapons that are NOT mil-spec. Know that to be mil-spec they have to follow the TDP "to a T", as you yourself have agreed. Meaning that if their parts are not as specified but better (such as a nickle boron coating) they are not mil-spec. To bad you've ignored me, you might have learned something
JaPes
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The term Econo AR is laughable. If paying more for a different model AR to get useless features makes you feel better then by all means flush your money lol.
I'm not an expert on chrome lined or melonite lined barrels but what I do know is that when new technologys are introduced for any product it is b/c the industry is moving forward not taking steps back.
I'm not an expert on chrome lined or melonite lined barrels but what I do know is that when new technologys are introduced for any product it is b/c the industry is moving forward not taking steps back.
LOL, our military rifles now have "useless features". Hey, it must be true...some guy on the internet said so.
Psssst. Sometimes changes are made to established specs to increase profit margins or meet a price point, not neccesarily enhance performance.
