Circle K is "Unsafe Zone"
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681ismyfavorite
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the clerks ive met at Circle K arent very well versed at running the register let alone corporate gun policy.....
Several posters have linked Circle K to the Southland Corporation.
I don't believe they are connected. Couche-Tard owns Circle K. Southland, of course, is the corporate parent of 7-11.
I can't locate any linkage between Southland and Couche-Tard.
Can anyone else add info/clarify?
Be safe.
I don't believe they are connected. Couche-Tard owns Circle K. Southland, of course, is the corporate parent of 7-11.
I can't locate any linkage between Southland and Couche-Tard.
Can anyone else add info/clarify?
Be safe.
Great point. Both companies upper management has worked for both. C-T bought some Circle K stores but not all. Many of the Circle K stores were named 7-11 at one time. Some of the 7-11 stores were once Circle K. They both use the same style window hangers.
Another thing is Southland is owned by a firm in Japan. C-T also has upper offices in Japan and ownership is really difficult to learn. Even Speedway has bought and sold stores to both companies.
It may be like Pizza Hut. The new locations for Pizza Hut are now named The Hut. Just depends on the location as to who owns it and what the name is.
I am still under the impression that Circle K is a Southland company or a division of it. Their signs are identical to those of 7-11. Their employees are not allowed to have firearms.
RufusG
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I didn't see any sign sorry was there a sign sorry mussed have missed it. The way I understand it that they can ask you to leave if you do not they can call the police and file a trespass on you thats all I may be wrong it wouldn't be the first time.
bitstream
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I just moved here to Mesa, AZ (Phoenix area). There are a metric ton of Circle-K's all over the place. I've been in and out of them armed a bunch of times since we arrived a few weeks ago. I didn't notice any signs, but if the notice was posted like the pic shown earlier in this thread, I definitely wouldn't have noticed that. I'll check next time I'm in one and report.
65kaiser
Member
I think you are confusing breaking the law with breaking company policy. Carrying in a Circle K that has a sign posted is a violation of company policy, Not leaving after the manager realizes you are carrying and asks you to is breaking the law!!
Did I miss something? I have my carry gun with me in the post office plenty of times when I get a money order for something purchased here in the for sale section of The Forum. Is your reference just to someone "going postal" or to actual "no guns" policy? I dont' recall seeing a sign on the door. But I haven't really looked for one, either.
65kaiser
Member
Carrying concealed is a big no no in the Post Office. Know your laws!!
SmokewagonSD
Member
Post offices around here have signs all over the place letting you know you can't carry there.
I just went there to get a money order, and the sign isn't on the outer door when you go in to get mail out of a PO Box. It's on the INNER door, where I'd never paid attention before. I saw it, went back out to the car and put the 38 in the glove box and locked it.
I knew as soon as I saw it that when I got home there'd be posts informing me of my ignorance...
None of you LEO's are going to turn me in, are you? I promise it'll never happen again...
Is it too late to just delete that post?
I knew as soon as I saw it that when I got home there'd be posts informing me of my ignorance...
None of you LEO's are going to turn me in, are you? I promise it'll never happen again...
Is it too late to just delete that post?
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I don’t know Florida law on this subject.
Standard Disclaimer: I am not an attorney. By my profession I am required and need to know some law (plus, as a gun owner I have a personal interest in firearms and use-of-force laws), but that does not mean I can offer legal advice. Consult with an attorney if you want legal advice.
That said -
Whether possessing a firearm in/on private property “open to the public”, with or without a concealed permit/license, is lawful really varies from state to state; and in some cases within local jurisdictions. Sometimes the law we’re looking for is not even where we think it will be.
Case in point –
In Oregon (my state), valid Concealed Handgun License (CHL) holders are generally exempt from most unlawful carry/possession laws. They may lawfully carry/posses in most “Public Buildings”, but can be charged with “Criminal trespass while in possession of a firearm” in/on “Premises” “Open to the Public” for just entering premises posted or otherwise (i.e. not posted) if the person is lawfully informed to leave but remains.
In the Circle K scenario in the OP, if in Oregon that convenience store’s posting of “No Guns” would qualify as “Notice” that entering with a gun causes the loss of privilege of lawful entry if in possession of a gun. The charge would be:
164.265 Criminal trespass while in possession of firearm. (1) A person commits the crime of criminal trespass while in possession of a firearm who, while in possession of a firearm, enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises.
And there is no exemption for CHL holders.
Most folks here seem to think that it should be found in our weapon laws (ORS 166) and fail to check out other law (such as ORS 164, Burglary and Trespass), so they mistakenly think that there is nothing covering trespass with weapons (and thus as CHL holders think they are exempt from such postings as they are exempt from most other carry/possession law). There is also case law to consider.
When in doubt about the law, speak to a lawyer.
Standard Disclaimer: I am not an attorney. By my profession I am required and need to know some law (plus, as a gun owner I have a personal interest in firearms and use-of-force laws), but that does not mean I can offer legal advice. Consult with an attorney if you want legal advice.
That said -
Whether possessing a firearm in/on private property “open to the public”, with or without a concealed permit/license, is lawful really varies from state to state; and in some cases within local jurisdictions. Sometimes the law we’re looking for is not even where we think it will be.
Case in point –
In Oregon (my state), valid Concealed Handgun License (CHL) holders are generally exempt from most unlawful carry/possession laws. They may lawfully carry/posses in most “Public Buildings”, but can be charged with “Criminal trespass while in possession of a firearm” in/on “Premises” “Open to the Public” for just entering premises posted or otherwise (i.e. not posted) if the person is lawfully informed to leave but remains.
In the Circle K scenario in the OP, if in Oregon that convenience store’s posting of “No Guns” would qualify as “Notice” that entering with a gun causes the loss of privilege of lawful entry if in possession of a gun. The charge would be:
164.265 Criminal trespass while in possession of firearm. (1) A person commits the crime of criminal trespass while in possession of a firearm who, while in possession of a firearm, enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises.
And there is no exemption for CHL holders.
Most folks here seem to think that it should be found in our weapon laws (ORS 166) and fail to check out other law (such as ORS 164, Burglary and Trespass), so they mistakenly think that there is nothing covering trespass with weapons (and thus as CHL holders think they are exempt from such postings as they are exempt from most other carry/possession law). There is also case law to consider.
When in doubt about the law, speak to a lawyer.
HCA
Member
Don't know about Circle K, but I did see a no firearms sign on the door at a McDonald's in Georgetown. Needless to say, I won't be back to that one.
As federal buildings, every post office is posted as "no guns".
As for the Circle K/7-11/Southland question; 7-11 is headquartered here in Dallas right near where I work. There is an actual store in the ground floor of the complex and it is not posted to prohibit guns nor is any other 7-11 I've been in so my guess is Circle K is a seperate corporation.
In Ohio, carrying in a Posted area is breaking the law. The following is a passage from the Attorney General's Web Site:
"The law does not say precisely what language must be on the sign. At a minimum, signs must be conspicuous and inform people that firearms and/or concealed handguns are prohibited. However, the law suggests that the prohibited locations post a sign that substantially says the following:
Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code,no person shall knowingly possess, have under the person’s control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly handgun or dangerous ordnance onto these premises.
If you see this sign, it means that you cannot bring your concealed handgun inside. Businesses and persons wishing to post such signs are strongly advised to consult their legal counsel for language, style, format and placement. The sign is available to download from the Attorney General’s website at Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine - Office of Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine at no charge. Statutory Reference(s): R.C. 2923.126(C)(3) allows the owner or person in control of private land to post a sign in a conspicuous place that prohibits persons from carrying concealed firearms on that property."
Full text here: Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine - 2009 Concealed Carry Laws Manual
CAJUNLAWYER
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You must have eaten one of their green chilie microwave burritos
williamlayton
Member
There are legal signs which are enforceable and "no guns allowed" sighnsthat are not enforcable.
Personally---just me--since I carried long before it was legal, in Texas, I just tend to think that the BG's ignore the sighns and I do also. Well, it was OK to carry in Texas--it just wasn't legal.
Blessings
Personally---just me--since I carried long before it was legal, in Texas, I just tend to think that the BG's ignore the sighns and I do also. Well, it was OK to carry in Texas--it just wasn't legal.
Blessings
I just went there to get a money order, and the sign isn't on the outer door when you go in to get mail out of a PO Box. It's on the INNER door, where I'd never paid attention before. I saw it, went back out to the car and put the 38 in the glove box and locked it.
I knew as soon as I saw it that when I got home there'd be posts informing me of my ignorance...
None of you LEO's are going to turn me in, are you? I promise it'll never happen again...
Is it too late to just delete that post?
Strictly speaking, you are still violating the law with the gun in your car is it is parked on postal property.
