Jerry in SC
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I'm interested in the family interaction prior to the murder. How much did they know, why wasn't it reported, etc.
Do they have the shooter? YES!
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Yesterday my wife was home soaking up everything the media was putting out from all these so called experts. Never heard of some guy named Willie Cunningham, but she sent me a screenshot of some stuff he said. I'm just shaking my head at some of it.
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No expert here, but that looks fake to me.The is a video out that showed Kirk was wearing a vest under his shirt and that the bullet struck the west, apparently deflecting upward into his neck. The impact on the vest is clear.
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The shocking death of Charlie Kirk during a public event at Utah Valley University has left the nation in mourning. The right-wing commentator was fatallypollywebart.com
Jon651
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My post was specifically about the picture of the casing that the WSJ posted. I stand by my conclusion that their reporting (and their fact checking that we should expect and demand from "reputable" sources) was a farce. The image they showed never supported their claims and it unfortunately "got legs" and spread.
I have no control over - and no opinion about - what the Governor said in his press conference. From the searching I did, he didn't show any images of the shell casing, but the WSJ did - and they got it wrong.
venomballistics
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I saw this too ... And shook my head at all of it
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and I wasn't commenting on anything other than what has been confirmed by people who are doing the investigation. And yes, I heard the update in real time and before I posted.
I don't read the WSJ in print or online, my info was from the investigative sources.
I stand with the people on the ground IN UTAH doing the actual work.
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Erika Kirk carrying the torch forward. God Bless her and keep her safe.
Faulkner
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Should be no real surprise though. The drive-by media has a track record of filling in the blanks with nonsense when they have no factual data to report but still have airtime to fill.
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Jerry in SC
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I've read and heard lots of speculation by "experts". No one will know for sure until a lot more information is available. News outlets run unvetted stuff to beat their rivals. It wasn't a particularly easy shot, downhill (shots are high) a breeze, mirage in the heat, one of those situations where a move one way or another would have meant a miss.
No relation per Washington County Utah Sheriff's Office:
Washington Co. Sheriff emphasizes no relation between retired deputy, suspected shooter
The Washington County Sheriff's Office clarified the suspected gunman in the death of Charlie Kirk has no relation to a retired deputy affiliated with the offic
kutv.com
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??? What word?
LVSteve
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The joke is that a little time with a ballistic calculator and doing some math reveals a 3° angle shot (assuming 30' elevation at 200 yards) that would be 3.5" low for a rifle zeroed at 100 yards. There's not enough downhill to make a big difference.
Wind? Plug in whatever numbers you like. 5 mph full value wind pushes the average 30-06 hunting bullet 1.5". Was it windy there?
For sure, in calm conditions at 200 yards is a chip shot for 30-06 if the rifle has a half decent trigger..
"...200 yards is an incredibly difficult shot..."
Huh? From prone? With a scope? When I was his age, I hit targets all day long at 250 meters with my M-14 and iron sights. 250 meters was the zero for the rifle.
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Erika Kirk speaks publicly.
www.foxnews.com
Have the tissues close by
Erika Kirk delivers moving tribute to husband, Charlie: 'I will never let your legacy die'
Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika, spoke publicly Friday for the first time since her husband's assassination Friday evening outside Turning Point USA's headquarters in Phoenix.
Have the tissues close by
Fascist.
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I spoke to a couple of the early 20yo's working the front desk at my gym yesterday as I usually do. We discussed the events of the past several days. They gave me hope for the future of America.
Faulkner
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The media is doing what the media does best right now which is repeating unsubstantiated rumors and reports, interviewing "expert" pundits who are not involved in the investigation and can only speculate, and getting quotes from athletes and movie stars who are insignificant in our lives. Basically, they are entertaining the masses.
In the meantime the law enforcement investigators are doing their due diligence to build the case and tie up the loose ends. Could take weeks at best.
In the meantime the law enforcement investigators are doing their due diligence to build the case and tie up the loose ends. Could take weeks at best.
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Lots of holes to fill. Let the investigators do their job and tune out the background noise.
Banter about the rifle, the shoot is arm chair BS. What I can't get out of my mind is a video clip of Charley's 3 yr old daughter running to him on a photo set. Makes you want to scream.
Now we have a sorry piece of protoplasm that isn't old enough to have experienced any worldly serious problems, kill a guy for his morals. They got the shooter, I hope they get the guy behind the curtain that stoked this idea in shooters head.
Now we have a sorry piece of protoplasm that isn't old enough to have experienced any worldly serious problems, kill a guy for his morals. They got the shooter, I hope they get the guy behind the curtain that stoked this idea in shooters head.
Thats easy, but what do you do then with a majority of university / college students and almost half the country? Send them to the 51st state? Actually...that aint a bad idea.
tripledipper
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Charlie Kirk's death and his wife's speech will change the outcomes of many upcoming contested elections and Gov. Cox is a person who could be a moderate candidate for POTUS in the future, as was Romney in the past.
venomballistics
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I'd speculate that they saw their son "drinking the koolaid" but an event like this would have developed far too quickly to contain.
The family is well past the disbelief stage and recognized that the boy went all in
venomballistics
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perhaps, but we can't go there from here.
Before you dip your toe any deeper, i'll stop you at a wet sock
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Her words were certainly inspiring, as well as Gov Cox.
venomballistics
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a frightened daughter ran to her father for protection. She couldn't know her defender was gone.
Makes you wish there was a perfect drug to facilitate a nice clean memory wipe
Running a serial number search on a 100 year old Mauser 98, is like trying to find a tagged goldfish in a feeder fish tank at PetSmart.
They might trace the gun through local purchases/gun boards, friends that may have sold it to him, dad, etc. However, a straight serial number import trace might be wildly difficult. There are probably dozens of Turkish Mauser actions alone that share an exact serial number and those were imported by the shipping container full about a twenty years ago. That's just one subset of Mausers. Then there's modified German actions, Czech, Argentine, Spanish and the list goes on.
They have the shooter and a statement. I would imagine that his Dad knows exactly where the gun came from, or a really good idea. The guy is only 22YO, so I doubt he has had time to build an extensive collection of guns.
That's supposedly the rifle. It's what, about 36, inches, if not more?
There's no way the guy had that rifle hiding this on his person, in his pants or in that pack in any of the video footage, despite what we're being told. If he had that in his pants, he's not bending his knees walking up those stairs or much less jumping from a building and running. That rifle isn't going to break down and reassemble without tools and more importantly, the time to do it - and it's still going to be noticeable. Especially on a guy who is as skinny as he is.
The narrative around the rifle makes no sense,
