Do you leave your gun in your vehicle?
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Duke426
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Absolutely not. If it's not on my person it's locked in the safe. Leaving a firearm unattended, even in a locked vehicle, is negliegent in my opinion.
Like I said, I don't pay attention to those signs or any other signs when I walk into a business. I'm concerned about what's inside. I'm not about to let their phony ideals force me to drive across town for something I need.
But they will sure hang a "No Guns" sign up but they won't hang any type of political sign up now will they!
Talk about hypocrisy.Besides, none of this really matters if the gun is concealed.
Your rights do not trump the other person's rights on their property. Would you like someone telling you that you could not carry a gun on your property? It's a two way street.
Kanewpadle said:
The law doesn't give you that right...there are exceptions to the laws in most if not all states which preclude legal carry, such as schools and government offices. In addition, if you carry a gun inside a premise that has posted the 30.06 sign, you are not within the law (in Texas.)
Kanewpadle said:
You have every right not to shop at or patronize that business. You do not have the right to enforce your beliefs on someone else.
Kanewpadle said:
What you are really saying is that the rights of all should be observed and respected as long as you agree with them. Your statements have indicated that you have no respect for, and no intent to observe, another person's legal right not to allow firearms on his own property. You want your rights, but you don't want to allow another person to have his rights, if they do not agree with your beliefs. You want to force someone to adopt your beliefs, and are not willing to allow them the same freedom that you have.
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As to your last statement, you are correct. I have no respect or regard for someone that would trample upon my second amendment rights. And yes, in a way I am forcing them adopt my beliefs because in this case, they are right and true.
If someone doesn't like that I carry on their property they can ask me to leave and I will do so. But that's IF they find that I'm carrying. Mighty big IF.
Hypothetically, if I were in your place of business or on your land, would you ask me if I were carrying concealed? What do you think my response would be? Would you try to search me? How well do you think that would go?
This whole discussion is a non issue for me my friend. I don't worry about it one bit. I will continue to do what I feel is right.
I obey the law. I respect others and expect the same in return. I don't cause trouble or bring attention to myself. I simply go about my business. But don't tell me that I can't protect myself anywhere I go. Ain't gonna happen.
Again, the right to protect myself is a basic GOD given right which came well before any property right. GOD gave me the ability to protect myself anywhere on this earth. Only he can take it away. Until that day comes I can and will do what's necessary to protect myself.
No disrespect buddy, but I can't explain it any better than that. If we disagree, so be it.
But I think we're done here.No disrespect buddy, but I can't explain it any better than that. If we disagree, so be it.
My oldest son (who is ultra liberal) and I debate political beliefs all the time...and my wife thinks we are fighting. We aren't...even if on occasion the voices get raised a little. We are discussing, and we have different viewpoints. If we didn't the conversations would be a LOT shorter!
No disrespect to you either, sir, and while we don't agree, we do live in a free country where we can each have our own opinions!
riverrat38
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"I'm having a real hard time understanding why people think that property rights are more sacred than the right to defend yourself."
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. They are not telling you that you can't enjoy your 2nd amendment rights to carry. They are just telling you that you are not welcome on their property. You have the same right to exclude them from your property. Thats what private means. What I find offensive is when any government agency tells me I can't enjoy my 2nd amendment rights on public property, such as Post Offices. And, those who think that it is a hassle to have to lock their guns in their vehicle should think about whats implied for someone who walks to pick up their mail. Am I supposed to leave my revolver lying on the sidewalk in front of the post office to get to my PO Box? Yea, sure!
Rick
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. They are not telling you that you can't enjoy your 2nd amendment rights to carry. They are just telling you that you are not welcome on their property. You have the same right to exclude them from your property. Thats what private means. What I find offensive is when any government agency tells me I can't enjoy my 2nd amendment rights on public property, such as Post Offices. And, those who think that it is a hassle to have to lock their guns in their vehicle should think about whats implied for someone who walks to pick up their mail. Am I supposed to leave my revolver lying on the sidewalk in front of the post office to get to my PO Box? Yea, sure!
Rick
Maybe I can help with a quick analogy...
Lets say you know a guy who likes to drop the F-bomb every other word... You don't want your children/customers in that environment.
Just as your second amendment gives you the freedom to carry a handgun, the first amendment gives him the freedom to speak in whichever way he chooses.
However, when he enters your home/business (private property), you have the right to tell him to leave his language at the door or not to come in.
Shouldn't the same rules apply to our second amendment rights?
If property owners truly own their property, shouldn't they be able to decide who/what they allow on their property?
Lets say you know a guy who likes to drop the F-bomb every other word... You don't want your children/customers in that environment.
Just as your second amendment gives you the freedom to carry a handgun, the first amendment gives him the freedom to speak in whichever way he chooses.
However, when he enters your home/business (private property), you have the right to tell him to leave his language at the door or not to come in.
Shouldn't the same rules apply to our second amendment rights?
If property owners truly own their property, shouldn't they be able to decide who/what they allow on their property?
What - It ain't cheatin' unless you get caught?"
Your fallacy is in saying that you only break the law if you get caught breaking the law. Kind of like saying your wife is having an affair only if you actually see her in bed with another man...
And you're having way too much fun pulling our collective leg.
Good Day.
Lady4wr
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Single lady, travels a lot alone. Live in country. Anywhere I go is 25 to 40 miles. Most places I cannot carry. So, if I leave the dang gun at home when I go to places I cannot carry, what good is that going to be when I am changing tire or whatever on side of road at night and may need it? I want it where I can get get my hands on it even sitting at a red light in a nearby town. That's just me. Leave under seat when out of vehicle. Can buy another gun, my safety is more important to me.
TexasArmed
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I do not consider that negligent. If it is it is the owner of the sign that was negligent putting up the sign. When I traveled this month about 70 miles to visit a relative in the hospital, I was not aware that the hospital had a legally enforceable sign. I was compelled to leave the gun in my locked vehicle in order to comply with Texas Law. I maintain that if something happened, it was the hospital's responsibility to prevent a vehicle breakin in their parking lots. While I don't agree that the hospital should put up the legally enforceable signs, if I am a law abiding citisen, I must comply with Texas law. Had I carried it into the hsopital I would have been violating the law. On the other hand, I cannot compel the hospital to change their policy, nor to make an exception just for me. I believe that when a property owner puts up a legal sign at their business, and a customer parks in their lot, and does business with them, should their vehicle be broken into and a weapon removed, from a locked vehicle, then that business including the hospital in this case ought to be liable financially for any resulting criminal activity that mght happen.
The safest place for my gun is on me, but I cannot force the hospital to recognize that. If businesses were held financially responsible for crime on their property it might change their attitude toward CHL. I know at least one doctor who works at St Michael's in Texarkana, who is gun friendly, but he does not own nor run it. Had my vehicle been broken into because of St Michael's policy, I do not consider that it was due to my negligence.
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I am not a negligent person when I leave my gun in my car anymore than I am negligent when a piece of trash breaks in my house and steals something. It is not my fault that there are pieces of trash that want to steal and prey on the public and blame other people for their sorry ways. I would be negligent to leave a loaded gun on a playground but my gun in my car is my business and if someone bothers either one they are a piece of trash that is violating the law. I AM NOT NEGLIGENT! Larry
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I will choose not to do business when possible with a place that won't allow me to carry, but sometimes I choose to leave my gun in my vehicle. For example not being able to carry into a sporting event/arena, but the parking area surrounding that stadium might not be in the best neighborhoods. I still want my gun as soon as I can get back to my car.
I do always lock my car and my gun is locked in a pretty strong safe (7 ga steel) bolted to the the floor. I would hate to see it stolen, but I think I am making a reasonable effort as a responsible gun owner and also trying to obey the law.
I do always lock my car and my gun is locked in a pretty strong safe (7 ga steel) bolted to the the floor. I would hate to see it stolen, but I think I am making a reasonable effort as a responsible gun owner and also trying to obey the law.
CrossRifles2008
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When I go into a place I can't carry in. Ex. Hospitals. I leave my firearm unloaded in the glove box and take the ammo with me.
Don't need to walk up on someone who broke into my truck and get shot with my own firearm.
Don't need to walk up on someone who broke into my truck and get shot with my own firearm.
TexasArmed
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I think that is a good suggestion. I don't do it because most of my extra ammo is speedloaders in a shirt pocket. If I took the rounds out of the gun I would have to reload them in the parking lot before leaving. When I left in my case, after leaving the hospital I got turned around on a road trying to get across town through a Ghetto looking neigbhorhood, and had to break out my GCPS to guide me to a main thru fare on the other side of town. All the road work going on does not help.
I'm not pulling anybodies leg. I'm dead serious.
If you can't understand that I/we have the right to protect ourselves anywhere by any means possible, then we have nothing more to discuss.
Me too. And it slides between the seat and console in my truck so you'd never see it if you didn't know it was there. I only use it for places I am running in quick where I can't carry. Such as picking up my kid at school.
CAJUNLAWYER
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I leave mine in the center console of the suburban under the cheetos bag.
I attach mine to my Rottweiler's collar wrapped in a juicy steak.
ogilvyspecial
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Mike, I tried that once but it didn't go as planned, thanks to that juicy steak.
I almost had to start a thread asking others if they leave their gun in their dog.
It all worked out in the end though......
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