Don't ask your Reps to defend 2A ........

[flyer91]

Asking our representatives to oppose anti-gun laws or defend 2A isn't getting it done.

We need to demand that they go on the offense and start introducing 'extreme' pro-gun bills into legislation.

We need to make it crystal clear that although they are pro-gun, and vigorously try to defend our rights, that alone will not get them re-elected, and we will 'actively' support their party's challenger for election to their seats in the next cycle, if they don't get some "meat and potatoes" pro-gun bills introduced 'real soon'!

And by extreme, I mean bills like mandatory firearm safety training in high schools, just like health training for STD's, drivers education and etc. After all ...... we have a constitutional right to bear arms (not drive or procreate) but no mandatory training to go with it.
The aim would be to have a new generation of people making "informed" decisions on how they want to decide on gun laws, as opposed to emotional, ignorant, and un/mis-informed ones.

Also, bills like ones that would make junior high school social studies teach a mandatory course the covers what the crime rates have been both before and after 'any' gun control laws were passed, using the FBI, state DOJ and other factual, un-massaged crime statistics.

I would even go as far as to have a bill introduced that interprets 2A to mean that it would be mandatory that all able bodied citizens be required to maintain a government issued civilian version of the current military standard issue firearms and receive training on how to use them.
Conscientious (or whatever) objectors could/would be excepted, but would need to pay an annual "tax" to pay for the hardware and training for the rest of us to protect their freedoms for them.

We need them to push hard, fast and overwhelm the system with new pro-gun bills, and move us back to pre NFA days.
The fact is .... playing defense and/or being grateful for elected officials that only spend their votes in defense of a declining right, are ........ or need to become history.
that a defensive posture is only making us victims .... and people that remain victims get victimized.

Demand an offensive approach to gun rights by demanding your local, state and federal representatives start to introduce a flurry if pro-gun bills and for them to get as sneaky, devious and extreme as the ant-gun liberals are.

To do that ..... easily ........ you can use the NRA Grass Root Alerts (even if you are not a member) to send this message to your reps via the hyperlinks on this page, and sent to to all of your reps with a single key stroke.
See: NRA-ILA | Effectively Communicating With Your Lawmakers

 

[buckeyefist]

That is a great idea. Its funny how we are always on thw defense rather than pushing our "agenda"......only ours is worthwhile and might actually save lives.

 

[venomballistics]

that is a great idea. take the offensive rather than hold a position the enemy need only hammer till it breaks.
take some turf and let them play catch up.
but the flaw in this is that its pretty much requesting political entities to make sense and act logically.... is this possible? and have they banned the notion of such practices in DC?

 

[Unleashed]

Do you have a letter drafted? This would be a great counter offensive.

 

[Quick10]

Yep draft up something good and I'll send it to my reps and post it to FB for my buddies to send.

 

[smokey]

I understand how you feel, but now is not the time, the white house has unleashed the full fury of the anti gun hordes, we will be extremely lucky if we survive the next four years without being overrun with new laws. we can ill afford to alienate the Senators and congressman we need to stand against them, by demanding they waste time and energy with bills that we know will go nowhere, and would surely be vetoed if they did make it through both houses.
for now we must defend what we have. and let the elected officials who represent our districts know we will support them if they support our rights.

 

[venomballistics]

I understand how you feel, but now is not the time, the white house has unleashed the full fury of the anti gun hordes, we will be extremely lucky if we survive the next four years without being overrun with new laws. we can ill afford to alienate the Senators and congressman we need to stand against them, by demanding they waste time and energy with bills that we know will go nowhere, and would surely be vetoed if they did make it through both houses.
for now we must defend what we have. and let the elected officials who represent our districts we will support them if they support our rights.

then .. when is the time?
seems to me launching the full wrath of a pro 2A movement in legislation would put THEM on a defensive footing, thus causing the antis to refocus their efforts on damage control rather than the offensive.
in that they are acting contrary to the will of 80% of the US population, the path of the status quo runs the highest potential for civil unrest and martial law than Ive ever seen.

 

[flyer91]

Do you have a letter drafted? This would be a great counter offensive.

Here's what I sent .......

To the honorable _____________,
I am writing to let you know that with respect to the general and continuing decline in the rights afforded me by the second amendment, and most recently the direction being taken by the current administration, that I will no longer support you if you do not start to introduce multiple, aggressive, and extremely "pro-gun" bills into legislation.

I expect to see you provide the type of proposals that will not just defend my rights under the second amendment, but will further enhance them and ultimately lead to the repeal of current laws back to pre-NFA times.

I wish to make it clear that I will no longer support you for re-election if you only take a defensive stance on liberal anti-gun legislative proposals, and expect you to be totally committed to talking an immediate and actively offensive stance on gun issues by introducing new and multiple pro-gun bills.

If you don't take such a position, I will actively support any person that your party offers as replacement for your seat in the next election cycle.



Respectfully,

_________________________



I offered the same suggestions that I posted above, but was clear that they are not necessarily what I want to see, but are instead examples ............ I expect to see 'much' better proposals from them. That's what they are there for.

I'm sure you guys can come up with much better suggestions and a better letter than I did.

My main point was to go on the offense, and to let my reps know that my continued support for is totally dependant on them doing that. or I would support anyone their party offers up to take their place.

Some of you may have other reasons or view other issues being more important than the second.

Right now this is where I'm taking my stand and how I am proceeding to do it.

All us gun owners basically spend our pro-gun communications preaching to the choir.

It's my opinion that this message is one that is worth preaching to the choir because it can get the job done without having to convince or win over any liberal, gun-grabbing, uneducated .... (but just so freaking totally "enlightened") ..... person, that isn't already on board.

IOW: Screw the gun-grabbers ........ we can do a "Stormin Norman" end-around on them.

 

[smokey]

then .. when is the time?
seems to me launching the full wrath of a pro 2A movement in legislation would put THEM on a defensive footing, thus causing the antis to refocus their efforts on damage control rather than the offensive.
in that they are acting contrary to the will of 80% of the US population, the path of the status quo runs the highest potential for civil unrest and martial law than Ive ever seen.

When we have a pro second amendment President, that won't jump up and down with glee that he just narrowly passed sweeping gun legislation
with votes he didn't expect to be on his side because we made demand's they couldn't meet, and were going to lose our vote's anyway.

 

[flyer91]

I understand how you feel, but now is not the time, the white house has unleashed the full fury of the anti gun hordes, we will be extremely lucky if we survive the next four years without being overrun with new laws. we can ill afford to alienate the Senators and congressman we need to stand against them, by demanding they waste time and energy with bills that we know will go nowhere, and would surely be vetoed if they did make it through both houses.
for now we must defend what we have. and let the elected officials who represent our districts know we will support them if they support our rights.

I'm sorry you feel that way Smokey, but a continued "bend over" apraoch is not working. That's just a fact!

Besides, here's my observation of the general politician.

Stuff enough pro-gun bills into the system and these lazy ...... er, ...."folks" (on both sides of the isle) will go on recess before they vote pro 'or' anti!!

That might buy us some time to get our offensive house in order ..............

But not exersizing your right to let your worker (politician) know what you will do if he/she doesn't do your work 'is' counter to what our type of govermnment is ALL about.
They are only our masters if we let them be, and we let them be when we are ambigous, not direct in our demands, and ........ are unarmed.

 

[Quick10]

I think now is a great time to do it

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

We need to demand that they go on the offense and start introducing 'extreme' pro-gun bills into legislation.

We need to make it crystal clear that although they are pro-gun, and vigorously try to defend our rights, that alone will not get them re-elected, and we will 'actively' support their party's challenger for election to their seats in the next cycle, if they don't get some "meat and potatoes" pro-gun bills introduced 'real soon'!

And by extreme, I mean bills like mandatory firearm safety training in high schools, just like health training for STD's, drivers education and etc. After all ...... we have a constitutional right to bear arms (not drive or procreate) but no mandatory training to go with it.
The aim would be to have a new generation of people making "informed" decisions on how they want to decide on gun laws, as opposed to emotional, ignorant, and un/mis-informed ones.

Also, bills like ones that would make junior high school social studies teach a mandatory course the covers what the crime rates have been both before and after 'any' gun control laws were passed, using the FBI, state DOJ and other factual, un-massaged crime statistics.

I would even go as far as to have a bill introduced that interprets 2A to mean that it would be mandatory that all able bodied citizens be required to maintain a government issued civilian version of the current military standard issue firearms and receive training on how to use them.
Conscientious (or whatever) objectors could/would be excepted, but would need to pay an annual "tax" to pay for the hardware and training for the rest of us to protect their freedoms for them.

The correct direction is LESS government, not dreaming up more things for the government to mandate. If it isn't repealing government meddling then it isn't pro-gun or pro-freedom.

An active pro-gun Congress should start their legislation with the word "Repeal", not "Mandate".

 

[flyer91]

And once again ....... how's that approach working out for you?
What did your elected officials say when you asked them to defend against/repeal the 23 executive actions that O took last week?

I would really like to see the responses you recieved using your approach requesting your methods be implimented.
Could you please post them here?
I expect to start seeing the responses to my letters arriving next week which is about the typical two weeks or so time frame to get a response.
Maybe we can discuss the different replies we get, even if they 'are' just boiler plate. (????)

 

[venomballistics]

The correct direction is LESS government, not dreaming up more things for the government to mandate. If it isn't repealing government meddling then it isn't pro-gun or pro-freedom.

An active pro-gun Congress should start their legislation with the word "Repeal", not "Mandate".

Nice catch there Phil .... Like I said in a different thread ... we are the ones who should be calling the shots.

 

[venomballistics]

When we have a pro second amendment President, that won't jump up and down with glee that he just narrowly passed sweeping gun legislation
with votes he didn't expect to be on his side because we made demand's they couldn't meet, and were going to lose our vote's anyway.

Im not sure we can wait that long.
what if we never see one again ... oh its just four more years .. then four becomes eight, eight turns twelve if we last that long.
sorry dude, I don't feel like dieing in a re education camp while the SCOTUS plays master of the obvious and gets around to calling the POTUS on issues of constitutionality sometime after I'm erased.
The stakes are much higher than just an empty gun safe.

 

[magsherman]

Go for the State level. That's where the battle is likely to be fought.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Nice catch there Phil .... Like I said in a different thread ... we are the ones who should be calling the shots.

It's everywhere... always lurching toward more government as the solution and cure. Heck, the first thing out of the mouth of the NRA after the Sandy Hook shooting was to DEMAND Congress get involved in security at local elementary schools. The President of the NRA just praised Obama for proposing to further expand NICS with more mental health data. It never ends... It is so ingrained into the psyche of America that even well intentioned pro-gun folks can't help themselves from the impulse to look at more government as the solution for more freedom. I understand that I'm in the minority of thinking on this.... maybe I need government mandated training to get my mind right?

 

[venomballistics]

It's everywhere... always lurching toward more government as the solution and cure. Heck, the first thing out of the mouth of the NRA after the Sandy Hook shooting was to DEMAND Congress get involved in security at local elementary schools. The President of the NRA just praised Obama for proposing to further expand NICS with more mental health data. It never ends... It is so ingrained into the psyche of America that even well intentioned pro-gun folks can't help themselves from the impulse to look at more government as the solution for more freedom. I understand that I'm in the minority of thinking on this.... maybe I need government mandated training to get my mind right?

well I stand with you in that minority.
for as many times as ive run into regulations smashing my fingers in windows of opportunity, I just might feel more strongly about it than you.
They say we are a nation of laws .... perhaps in a bid to justify them. I think we are a nation of laws gone past critical mass.

 

[flyer91]

Although I agree less government is a good thing, I'm having trouble connecting the dots between less government and repealed gun laws ....... especially if you can't use elected officials to enter bills to accomplish that.
Can you please enlighten me on the direct connection between less government and automatic anti-gun law repeals, and point out some success stories on that front that were not the result of bills being passed?

It's easy to parrot something that makes sense, but much more difficult to actually offer some dynamic results for something that has never yet happened ....... and never will until we finally settle into the history books as a great empire that was ....... like all other empires that were.
Their size alone is what consumed them.

Nobody is offering any real road map of how to accomplish government reduction ....... because of all the obvious reasons that "downsizing" does to those entrenched any government power structures ......... throughout history.

One side differentiates itself from the other by saying these ambiguous things as their platform, but that "reduction of size" has never happened at any 'real and meaningful level' under 'any' administration going back to (at least) Cesar.
As our country has grown so has our government ......... only the rate of growth has changed, but the growth has, and always will increase.
I invite you to educate me if that is wrong.

The term legislator is that which is applied to one who makes law.
That's their job.
What we want is for those laws to be on the side of our desires.
And we do that by telling them if they don't get the results they will be fired in favor of their parties challenger for their seat.
That is simply the only influence we have on the way it's done from our local city supervisor to the president ...... and even then you don't have any guarantees.

Fight the battles you 'can' win, not the ones that are purely "show-time" for the disenchanted and/or a tag line on some political parties ads.

And ....... if you can demonstrate a direct link between less government and less anti-gun laws in 'any' country on the planet, in any time in history then please show it.

 

[smokey]

And once again ....... how's that approach working out for you?
What did your elected officials say when you asked them to defend against/repeal the 23 executive actions that O took last week?

I would really like to see the responses you recieved using your approach requesting your methods be implimented.
Could you please post them here?
I expect to start seeing the responses to my letters arriving next week which is about the typical two weeks or so time frame to get a response.
Maybe we can discuss the different replies we get, even if they 'are' just boiler plate. (????)

Here's Senator Rand Paul's take on the executive orders.
Rand Paul pledges to 'nullify' President Obama's executive orders - Katie Glueck - POLITICO.com
And Senator Mitch McConnell says he will do everything in his power to stop any anti gun legislation.