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I see where you're going with this.

We should do away with psychiatric drugs, since they are "involved" in all these mass shootings, and that if the perps -- who already had mental health issues, which was why they were taking the meds in the first place -- had not been taking them, none of these shootings would have happened.

That's pretty curious logic, but I guess there's a way of thinking to fit any agenda.



Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common 'psychiatric drugs'....

Just take a look at the list below....




• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

• Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

• Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

• Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

• Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

• Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

• Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

• Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

• Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

• Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

• Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

• Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

• Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

• A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

• Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

• Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

• Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

• Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

• Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

• Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

• What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az?

• What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado?

• What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or?

• What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct?

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don't let them! Force our elected "representatives" and the media to cast a harsh spotlight on this issue. Don't stop hounding them until they do.


Learn more: Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns - NaturalNews.com
 
The only up side to this tragedy is ...

I know what you meant, but there really is no 'up' side here.
It's just bad all around. People who had sons and daughters when they got up Friday morning have had their souls ripped out. Hope they don't accidentally come in here.
 
I see where you're going with this.

We should do away with psychiatric drugs, since they are "involved" in all these mass shootings, and that if the perps -- who already had mental health issues, which was why they were taking the meds in the first place -- had not been taking them, none of these shootings would have happened.

That's pretty curious logic, but I guess there's a way of thinking to fit any agenda.

I never said get rid of them. However better management should be looked at. It's not just my opinion. 22 international drug regulatory agency warnings cite side effects including mania, violence, psychosis and even homicidal ideation as a result of psychiatric drugs.

These drugs alter the way a persons brain works. They have a profound effect on the way people act and think. They effect people in many different ways.

This country has a problem with over prescribing medication to people who probable don't need it.
 
The lead of the speakers last nite stated his deputies had no probable cause to go inside the home to look for anything. I don't know of anyway they would have known he had bought firearms. Unless his ramblings stated so.

OK, I'm going to say it. The deputies had no probably cause because the parents live in a nice house and have money.

That may sound rather simplistic, so let me expand. If the parents told deputies "we don't allow guns in the home" as they are so against guns, are the LEOs going to press the point in an upscale neighbourhood? Probably not in California. In any case, under the law the guy was a consenting adult. If he bought guns and hid the fact from his parents it was hardly their fault.
 
Typical punk *** rich kid raised by elites with a sense of entitlement. Wanted it all...wanted it now...and without any effort on his part.

I might have felt sorry for the parents until they started blaming everybody and everything else for what happened. Maybe if they had demanded some effort from this kid instead of indulging him and spoiling him and filling him with this sense of self-importance.
 
Incidents like this are a vivid reminder that most of our society has relegated its protection to others, primarily the police, and that calling 911 has become the default response for acts of violence. People with mental health (psychological) problems have always been a part of society, in every country, and will occasionally act out in a violent way. In this incident history is simply repeating itself. It's nothing new, just a variation on the same (violent) theme.
 
In reading his manifesto, he leaves little to the imagination as to just how deeply disturbed he was. His videos only personalize it all too well. As others have said, there is really nothing new here. Madness has always existed, and desperate people do desperate things. There is no protection against madness, only swift and sure response.
 
In reading his manifesto, he leaves little to the imagination as to just how deeply disturbed he was.
Merely HAVING a "manifesto" leaves little to the imagination as to just how deeply disturbed someone is.

People with manifestos generally have them because nobody wanted to hear what they had to say in the first place because it was bat-**** nuts.

Have you ever MET somebody with a manifesto? If so, would you leave them alone with a loaded gun... or your children?
 
Three pistols, all purchased legally here – Burbank, Goleta, etc. 400 rounds of ammunition in his car.

He was in treatment for mental illness, and was diagnosed with Asberger's Syndrome.

He targeted sorority girls because he claimed (in videos) that they wouldn't give him the time of day.
 
Merely HAVING a "manifesto" leaves little to the imagination as to just how deeply disturbed someone is.

People with manifestos generally have them because nobody wanted to hear what they had to say in the first place because it was bat-**** nuts.

Have you ever MET somebody with a manifesto? If so, would you leave them alone with a loaded gun... or your children?

I think about the 1920's somebody had a manifesto,,,It was called Mein Kamph Some guy in Germany wrote it,,,Talk about a nut case....He somehow killed millions..........They are out there, and they are among us..However there were a lot of warnings with this kid.....
 
Even though he stabbed 3 people and ran over a couple all I hear about on the news is guns. Probably because most people realize the is no practical way to eliminate cars, or restrict access to knives.

Also a lot of them have been brainwashed into being terrified of guns. Guns are seen as being not only so dangerous that only the police and military can be trusted with them, but somehow evil. And therefore if you are not a soldier or policeman and actually want a gun you must be mentally deranged. And if you are mentally deranged then you most certainly shouldn't have a gun. And it's quite possible that just having a gun will cause (or at least worsen) your mental illness.
 
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I'm surprised this thread is still going. It's the kind of paranoid **** the gun haters love to perpetuate. Why not throw in a few suggestions about what would really screw gun owners.
 
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I'm surprised this thread is still going. It's the kind of paranoid **** the gun haters love to perpetuate. Why not throw in a few suggestions about what would really screw gun owners.

At what point did paranoia kick in? I made a observation based on past history. Apparently I was right as the anti-gun rhetoric
has started.

Besides. It's not paranoia if they really are after you.:D
 
It is with profound regret that I read of this man murdering these people. All men of good will join in expressing compassion for the families whose loved ones this man killed.

Doubtless there will be those who will in this incident find grist for their own social and political agenda. Such people are to be pitied. Sadly it is not possible to legislate love. That can only come from a personal commitment.
 
We need to push the news media into also reporting the many lives that are saved by law abiding citizens with guns. They never do. All we ever hear is the anti-gun crowd slamming us. Where is the NRA and The Second Amendment Foundation in pushing all the good gun news to counteract all this?
 
It is with profound regret that I read of this man murdering these people. All men of good will join in expressing compassion for the families whose loved ones this man killed.

Doubtless there will be those who will in this incident find grist for their own social and political agenda.

Let me hold this mirror up just a little higher for you, hmmmmm? :confused:
 
Three pistols, all purchased legally here – Burbank, Goleta, etc. 400 rounds of ammunition in his car.

He was in treatment for mental illness, and was diagnosed with Asberger's Syndrome.

He targeted sorority girls because he claimed (in videos) that they wouldn't give him the time of day.

I have read that in many instances, the attraction of a psychopath for members of the opposite sex seems almost supernatural.
 
(Sarcasm) Time to rush out and panic-buy more guns and ammo.
 
Misguided blame

First, my sincere sympathy goes out to the families of the victims. As a father and grandfather, I can only imagine their grief, and I offer my deepest condolences. However, having said that, I must also state that the father of one of the victims issued this statement :
["Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA,"] end quote.
I understand being under extreme anguish, may have been a contributing factor of his statement, but to place the blame on our politicians, or the N.R.A. is, in my opinion, an attempt to place blame on the wrong parties.
 
To quote a local television news program, "The gunman killed six people." And "The gunman's deadly rampage..." Another graduate of the Joseph Goebbels School of Journalism.
 
Maybe I'm not keeping up, but so far I don't see any big anti-gun outcry in reference to this deal. I just finished reading this guy's "manifesto". It's clear he was a coddled, spoiled, self-indulgent misfit. He details his life in minute detail, and you can see his emotional development stopping at about age 10.
No wonder women didn't like him. Clearly a rich, sick creep.
 
Guns have so little to do with any of this. Maybe if we stopped telling our kids they're perfect and talented and incredibly smart and deserve everything in life without working for it, it would be easier for them to accept the fact that the head cheerleader doesn't want to go out with them. And maybe they won't have to profess their disappointment in a crazed video manifesto followed by a killing spree.
 
Guns have so little to do with any of this. Maybe if we stopped telling our kids they're perfect and talented and incredibly smart and deserve everything in life without working for it, it would be easier for them to accept the fact that the head cheerleader doesn't want to go out with them. And maybe they won't have to profess their disappointment in a crazed video manifesto followed by a killing spree.

On the other hand, maybe we should just make sure that the kids with mental health issues get the medical treatment they need, the meds that will help them, the monitoring that is necessary to ensure that the meds and the therapy are working, and the parental involvement that they will try to reject but that is part of the hard business of being a parent of a child with mental health issues. And, let's try to keep guns out of their hands if we possibly can -- for their own safety as well as that of other innocent people.
 
On the other hand, maybe we should just make sure that the kids with mental health issues get the medical treatment they need, the meds that will help them, the monitoring that is necessary to ensure that the meds and the therapy are working, and the parental involvement that they will try to reject but that is part of the hard business of being a parent of a child with mental health issues. And, let's try to keep guns out of their hands if we possibly can -- for their own safety as well as that of other innocent people.

Now getting to the meat and potatoes of the situation!

When we introduce a phalanx of psychosomatic drug cocktails into people, they need VERY stringent observation, and in reality, parents are not objective enough to do that. And few of the doctors are objective enough to do that. When we see how many doctors are given incentives to use certain drugs, by the drug manufacturer....... we should get ready for trouble. There is far too much over-medication, and under-supervision of people today, all in the name of making hyper kids obedient little robots, and for making drama-queen primmadonna's feel better about themselves for a couple minutes so they do not leave the rest of us wanting to stuff them in a gunny sack and leave them in a corner of the shop for the rest of the day.:rolleyes:

Once the drugs are introduced, its' a little like Alice in Wonderland; the wormhole is opened up, and the rabbit is now doing the talking. People are altered, and in many ways, Pandora's box has been blown wide open. And you just do not know what changes have been made, and what will manifest itself for the future.

My half brother was subdued by Ritalin. Once he was no longer reacting well to Ritalin, they switched him to Valium, and several other good fun games like Prozac, and then graduated to Zoloft. At this point, my dad said "STOP with the meds. Let's have him go clean for a year, and see how he does."
Boy- the doctors were apoplectic over the very notion. So my brother went dry. He was weird (was always a little weird, but even weirder...:rolleyes: ) and after a few months, he went back to being just a bit hyper and excitable. Since he was now a teen, in high school, they put him into all kinds of activities and sports to keep his body and mind occupied, and he eventually found his footing, and is a pretty cool guy. Does not pull chicks worth a darn, but he's ok with a date every now and again.

You are dead right. People on meds need very careful observation and consideration, for WHY on earth they get these meds in the first place. And if they are put on a regimen of psych drugs? They really need close supervision and support. It's not cheap, it's not easy.... and so it is simply not done.:(

And God help you when these folks decide to 'Self medicate' on top of it with street drugs and alcohol. Unfortunately, we ALL know people who have done this, with really bad results.
 
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