dennis40x
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The shooting industry source I referred to comes not from the firearms manufacturing side of the equation.
Glock blows up!
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The shooting industry source I referred to comes not from the firearms manufacturing side of the equation.
tomf52
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Seems to me too many of kabooms are Glocks.
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Skip Sackett
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That's the reason for the thread!
The reason there seems to be so many kabooms with Glocks is because there are so many of them out there, for one thing. The second is that folks don't heed good advice. Dennis says there is a book. To me, that might need to be required reading for folks that don't want to follow suggestions!
Either those or folks that can't figure!
Since I'm one of those folks that figure, I have successfully found a way around the danger, within reason of course.
At any rate, I'm not knocking the tool. Not when it, at least in part and at times, can be traced to operator error.
The reason there seems to be so many kabooms with Glocks is because there are so many of them out there, for one thing. The second is that folks don't heed good advice. Dennis says there is a book. To me, that might need to be required reading for folks that don't want to follow suggestions!
Either those or folks that can't figure!
Since I'm one of those folks that figure, I have successfully found a way around the danger, within reason of course.
At any rate, I'm not knocking the tool. Not when it, at least in part and at times, can be traced to operator error.
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There has been issues with probably every type of firearm known to man. For some reason there seem to be so many out there that would love to prove Glock not combat able. I trust my life to my Glock 40 more than any revolver, pistol, long gun out there. Take thes articles for exactly what they are, opinion and free, on an S&W website. Not bashing S&W, I have many and love them, but they too have there share of documented issues. I have known and supervised thousands of Officers with Glocks and never ever had one with a single problem. Truthfully, if this is not a Glock bashing thread why post it here on a S&W website.
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Yup, I was hoping by now there would be some more information as to what really caused the failure. Factory gun, factory ammo (from what the OP stated), and the gun blows up? How many times is this combination used with no problems? Yet, something happened here that isn't normal. I'm not Glocks biggest fan, I only own one of them, but they aren't junk either. Was there a problem with the gun? The ammo? Or the operator?
I was just in Marshall Co. Friday, I should have thought to ask someone.
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There is not gonna be anymore info simply because it is a situation where a news report ( need I say more ) combined with a site not in love with tupperware ( not my name believe me ) got a hold of some information that needs no proof. Everyone would love to prove Glock not constructed well, but that is not the truth. They have withstood millions upon millions of rounds at this time in all calibers. I'm sure somewhere there was a lemon that got through or user error, or not cleaning, but come on, it almost seems like the German Shepard, Doberman, Pit Bull, Rotti, insert your own story that makes headlines, and the public/press/news reporter runs with it. All I'm saying is it always seems like someone elses friend of a friend in a news story. I in 28 years of Law Enforcement 20 of which Harlem NY have never heard of this happening before these websites. If Glocks are defective so be it, I will never believe it til you call me 3 fingers. I love my revolvers but count on a Glock daily, and if you need help in S.Florida when the Police arrive it will be with a competent Officer capable Glock.
dennis40x
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This is the book. Read it and learn (Chapters 1-3 & 1-4) extremely informative.
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All that was done here was someone posted a news article which anti-gunners love showing a Glock hurting a LEO. There was no positive info posted. There was no help as to how to make this not occur. It was nothing but a news reporter posting a story how guns ( in this case Glock ) are dangerous. I can read, I can read hundreds of possibly thousands of articles/books telling me how to care for a weapon. This thread was simply a Glock bashing thread, nothing more, only fact "read the book". If we all read the book we would'nt post non truths. Exactly what we do not need in the firearm sector. I don't love Glocks, I love our rights, but within our own we are propegating false stories and spreading non truths. Some news reporter found a story about a Glock blowing up and then all of a sudden they all blow up, I had a friend whose friend is a cop told him etc etc
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florida1098
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I give up, sorry if I offended anyone, just don't like unsubstantiated news articles made into grail, to each their own
Be safe and have a Happy healthy safe Holiday season
Be safe and have a Happy healthy safe Holiday season
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Skip Sackett
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Police,
Please be assured that I am NOT downing the Glock, some may but not me. I did UNTIL I shot one. As a matter of fact, my son trusts his life to one now as an LEO.
What I am trying to do with the posting of the original article is to educate that there are some "nuances" to reloading for these firearms. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have loaded a ton of rounds for my Glock 22, "THE PROBLEM CHILD" of all of them without incedent.
Be assured, it can be done and there are no stones being thrown at them by me.
arizona98tj
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I don't have a Glock....heck, I don't even have a S&W semi-auto pistol....but I do reload. I got out of this thread exactly what smith crazy stated. Should I ever acquire a Glock, I'll be much more informed and aware of what its needs are in the area of reloading.
If this was meant to be a Glock bashing thread....it was the weakest, milk toast version of bashing I've seen in a long, long time.
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Skip Sackett
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tj,
Too kind, thanks!
Too kind, thanks!
DougE
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I followed this thread as I do most reloading threads and I never took it as a glock bashing thread either.
cxm
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I too had a kB! in a Browning HP 40... in fact I had two of them... one factory load and one a hand load... the BHP40 of course does not fully support the case body, so a case even slightly weak can let go... and they do.
I have seen two kB! in Glocks and one in a Sigma... the difference in the kB! in the plastic guns was that they were not as strong as the BHP. The first kB! was with Remington (RP) 180gr ball. The second was my hand load with a GFL case, Winchester primer, Clays powder and 180gr cast bullet... sort of the classic recipe for a kB! in a hand load. I suspect the GFL case had previously been fired in a Glock with a loose chamber. The Sigma kB! was with Black Dawg commercial re-loads with 180gr bullets.
In one instance when the case let go the BHP40 was not damaged at all, though the gun was shut down and the case body had to be removed from the chamber because the head had blown all the way off... the gun was not damaged however, and I was able to resume shooting it in the IDPA match I was in. The second blew the extractor off the same gun, but it was otherwise undamaged.
Both of the Glocks I saw kB! wrecked the gun, blew the magazine out... typical Glock kB!
The S&W Sigma had it's extractor blown off and magazine damaged and had to go to a "smith for repair.
I have thought a lot about kB! events since then... At first I thought the Glock was simply a weaker gun than the steel ones... but not I'm not so sure... If that were the case, the Sigma should have been scrap metal... and it wasn't.
It was also perplexing that the kB! in Glocks would blow the chamber in many cases, but not in other 40s... The BHP40 had two kB! without damage and the Sigma I saw had one... both with only minor damage... yet we see Glocks blown wide open. Are Glocks inherently a weaker design or made with weaker materials? I don't know the answer to that question... The metal on the Glock chamber is certainly of similar thickness to other guns... Perhaps the rupture of the chamber releases gas faster than the case rupture at the base... and that is the source of the damage...
So, it seems there are actually more than one cause for the Glock kB! Though Glock does not admit to knowing, I expect they now know the cause of the kB! because they have become much less common... and they have taken action to resolve the problem.
My best guess is that one kB! is caused by the gun firing out of battery... another from set back bullets and the other by defective or weakened brass... but that is not much more than a SWAG.
It is interesting that in the video clip we saw, the chief deputy blamed the ammunition... but without any explanation of why... It would be interesting to know if there is more to the story...
Anyway, it would be interesting to know the real facts...
FWIW
Chuck
I have seen two kB! in Glocks and one in a Sigma... the difference in the kB! in the plastic guns was that they were not as strong as the BHP. The first kB! was with Remington (RP) 180gr ball. The second was my hand load with a GFL case, Winchester primer, Clays powder and 180gr cast bullet... sort of the classic recipe for a kB! in a hand load. I suspect the GFL case had previously been fired in a Glock with a loose chamber. The Sigma kB! was with Black Dawg commercial re-loads with 180gr bullets.
In one instance when the case let go the BHP40 was not damaged at all, though the gun was shut down and the case body had to be removed from the chamber because the head had blown all the way off... the gun was not damaged however, and I was able to resume shooting it in the IDPA match I was in. The second blew the extractor off the same gun, but it was otherwise undamaged.
Both of the Glocks I saw kB! wrecked the gun, blew the magazine out... typical Glock kB!
The S&W Sigma had it's extractor blown off and magazine damaged and had to go to a "smith for repair.
I have thought a lot about kB! events since then... At first I thought the Glock was simply a weaker gun than the steel ones... but not I'm not so sure... If that were the case, the Sigma should have been scrap metal... and it wasn't.
It was also perplexing that the kB! in Glocks would blow the chamber in many cases, but not in other 40s... The BHP40 had two kB! without damage and the Sigma I saw had one... both with only minor damage... yet we see Glocks blown wide open. Are Glocks inherently a weaker design or made with weaker materials? I don't know the answer to that question... The metal on the Glock chamber is certainly of similar thickness to other guns... Perhaps the rupture of the chamber releases gas faster than the case rupture at the base... and that is the source of the damage...
So, it seems there are actually more than one cause for the Glock kB! Though Glock does not admit to knowing, I expect they now know the cause of the kB! because they have become much less common... and they have taken action to resolve the problem.
My best guess is that one kB! is caused by the gun firing out of battery... another from set back bullets and the other by defective or weakened brass... but that is not much more than a SWAG.
It is interesting that in the video clip we saw, the chief deputy blamed the ammunition... but without any explanation of why... It would be interesting to know if there is more to the story...
Anyway, it would be interesting to know the real facts...
FWIW
Chuck
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I can understand your caution Skip, but without knowing what caused the failures how can you tell others what to watch out for? Problems with Glocks seems to be big news fodder, but how often do we get to hear what actually caused the problem? We can all sit here and take guesses but it is nothing more than speculation and wild guessing. I think the main reason we hear so many reports of problems with Glocks is because there are so many of them out there. And look who's carrying them. I've spent a lot of range time with police officers and I feel most of them aren't qualified to carry a gun, let alone a Glock, which isn't as idiot proof as many want to believe. And no, this isn't a cop bashing thread either. All I'm saying is, before I blame the failure on the gun I want to make sure their wasn't a cleaning patch or brush in the bore, or the officer didn't exchange his duty ammo for questionable handloads to hoard the more expensive ammo for later or... Any of a number of other possibilities that would completly exonerate both the gun and factory ammo.
For the record, I never really saw this as a Glock bashing thread, more of a peeing match that Dennis referred to in an earlier thread.
dennis40x
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"The Glock geometry creates a predictable failure location, but this does not indicate weak chambers (as some have claimed). Good engineering design incorporates predictable failure locations and modes."
Spend $19.95 plus handling & postage for the rest of the story! (Chapter 1-4 The Exploding Glock, Fact or Fiction? By Mark Passamaneck P.E. TY40422) ISBN:0-9662517-4-1 The Glock in Competition A Shooter's How To Guide 2nd Edition.
If I were a betting man (I'm not)...
I'd bet the main reason for any Kb in semi-autos is bullet set-back. I know for a fact that I need to check my carry ammo (KelTec P3AT) on a regular basis. If I shoot a skunk (or try to) many times the follow-up bullet in the magazine will do a mini nose dive into the ramp...not a full blown FTF, rather a hic-up.
When I get home and check the magazine and re-load...once in a while I'll see the chambered bullet with some set-back. It's not an always thing. It may be how I held the gun, it may be how I loaded the magazine....but never-the-less, it does happen from time to time.
I would suggest with the MANY gazillions of G22s in the field that this may be the cause of the occasional Kb.
The use of high pressure cartridges certainly makes set-back a danger as the envelope is not real deep.
And yes folks.....this is pure speculation.
Bob
I'd bet the main reason for any Kb in semi-autos is bullet set-back. I know for a fact that I need to check my carry ammo (KelTec P3AT) on a regular basis. If I shoot a skunk (or try to) many times the follow-up bullet in the magazine will do a mini nose dive into the ramp...not a full blown FTF, rather a hic-up.
When I get home and check the magazine and re-load...once in a while I'll see the chambered bullet with some set-back. It's not an always thing. It may be how I held the gun, it may be how I loaded the magazine....but never-the-less, it does happen from time to time.
I would suggest with the MANY gazillions of G22s in the field that this may be the cause of the occasional Kb.
The use of high pressure cartridges certainly makes set-back a danger as the envelope is not real deep.
And yes folks.....this is pure speculation.
Bob
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