Gun owners contributing to loss of Second Amendment?

[Jon651]

You can NOT buy an ASSAULT Weapon at your local gun store, and you do not get to take it home that day, 9mo - 1 year if your lucky. An AR is not an assault weapon any more than a fiberglass shell on chassis is a Lamborghini, they may look similar, but that is where it ends aesthetics. Try to teach everyone, but many do not want to learn. Be Safe,

Your point is taken but it doesn't matter what you or I consider to be an "assault weapon", but what the majority considers it to be. That's the reason why I put the words "assault weapon" in quotes.

Some people are unreasonably afraid of AR-15s and other firearms that look like them, but that doesn't mean TO THEM their fear is unjustified. Alleviate their fear and you have a good shot to increase their understanding - but it's going to take someone smarter than either of us to figure out how to do that.

 

[Rustyt1953]

One thing I truly appreciate on this forum is the ban on politics.

Tru Dat! Although it does get tested almost daily.

 

[Ματθιας]

I've never seen legal firearms confiscated (meaning kept and/or disposed) in this country from lawful owners, even when I used to live in a place where handgun possession required a permit. Pardon me if I don't buy it that such is imminent, I've heard it since the '70s. Again, firearms, ammunition, and the ability to carry and/or use the same have never been easier from the standpoint of Federal laws.

One thing I truly appreciate on this forum is the ban on politics.

Have you talked to anyone who lives in CA? Firearms are being confiscated in California after folks registering their firearms.

There's a video of a guy getting firearms confiscated after registering them, in 2018 from Feb 2019. I won't post the youtube link because there's a few cus words. Just search "Doj confiscate ar pistols" and the video will show up.

 

[biku324]

I just took a look. No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it in legitimate news media or when there is a specific court or agency FOIA document I can research for myself.

Anyone can post anything online; that doesn't make all things online verifiable, just as Thomas Jefferson warned us.

 

[Ματθιας]

I just took a look. No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it in legitimate news media or when there is a specific court or agency FOIA document I can research for myself.

Anyone can post anything online; that doesn't make all things online verifiable, just as Thomas Jefferson warned us.

I'm a bit confused.

Are you saying you believe video of CA DOJ confiscating his registered AR, magazine, and the discussion didn't happen or it was staged?

I'm asking, because that looks like a legit video of a citizen who followed the law and had his firearm seized by the government.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Have you talked to anyone who lives in CA? Firearms are being confiscated in California after folks registering their firearms.

There's a video of a guy getting firearms confiscated after registering them, in 2018 from Feb 2019. I won't post the youtube link because there's a few cus words. Just search "Doj confiscate ar pistols" and the video will show up.

I just took a look. No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it in legitimate news media or when there is a specific court or agency FOIA document I can research for myself.

Anyone can post anything online; that doesn't make all things online verifiable, just as Thomas Jefferson warned us.

I don't have a dog in this fight at all. Is this it? If it is, it answers the questions posed here by both of you. He registered an illegal weapon online. With a picture of same uploaded. Somebody reviewing registrations noticed. Hence, the hullabaloo . . .

Member of prominent farming family faces felony weapons charges

 

[biku324]

The video is a guy's view of 6 minutes in a process that was clearly part of a more complex situation involving California laws and a specific type of weapon. From the video maker's lips was his knowledge that some folks with AR pistols got them taken and some didn't, along with with discussion of stripped lowers. Not gun confiscation. I'd be interested in seeing the court documents or agency reports.

 

[biku324]

I don't have a dog in this fight at all. Is this it? If it is, it answers the questions posed here by both of you. He registered an illegal weapon online. With a picture of same uploaded. Somebody reviewing registrations noticed. Hence, the hullabaloo . . .

Member of prominent farming family faces felony weapons charges

Thank you - I knew there had to be more information than the baited video.

"Kirschenmann is out on $150,000 bail, accused of 12 felonies for possessing assault rifles, silencers and a multi-burst trigger activator."

 

[smithra_66]

"Gun owners contributing to loss of Second Amendment?"

Yup, they protest at state capital's in tactical gear carrying AR's. Some gather in front of a Governors residence armed to the teeth carrying protest signs.

There's nothing wrong or illegal with showing the government that the citizenry has some bite.

Absolutely nothing happened at those protests and open carry in that state is 100% legal.

I'm not sure why you'd think that was bad? Did the mainstream media push you into that thought?

 

[smithra_66]

I define a fudd as a narrow minded, arrogant and egotistical individual who thinks his opinions are Gospel Truths and is incapable of listening to anyone else.

Probably the best description yet.

 

[Ματθιας]

I don't have a dog in this fight at all. Is this it? If it is, it answers the questions posed here by both of you. He registered an illegal weapon online. With a picture of same uploaded. Somebody reviewing registrations noticed. Hence, the hullabaloo . . .

Member of prominent farming family faces felony weapons charges

Thank you - I knew there had to be more information than the baited video.

"Kirschenmann is out on $150,000 bail, accused of 12 felonies for possessing assault rifles, silencers and a multi-burst trigger activator."

Not the same. The dates don't match up. He guy in the video @ 2:40 registered the lower on June 20, 2018. The article is dated May 17, 2018.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Fair enough. Just trying to help . . .

Not the same. The dates don't match up. He guy in the video @ 2:40 registered the lower on June 20, 2018. The article is dated May 17, 2018.

 

[Ματθιας]

Fair enough. Just trying to help . . .

It's all good! No worries!

 

[smithra_66]

We live in times that see the widest possible availability of firearms, ammunition, and reloading tools/components under Federal laws; most restrictive laws are generally state and local.

My suggestion is that we not screw up the joy by calling other gunowners names, railing against Washington when Trenton or St. Louis are the problems, or by taking actions that make it easy to label gunowners as extremists.

We need to start taking the attitude that those things are OUR RIGHTS.

They are not something that we need to timidly tip-toe around on and hope we don't anger the wrong person so that we lose them.

If an armed mob went and assassinated the governor of MI, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! But in no way do they have anything whatsoever to do with me or the 2nd Amendment!

We need to stop walking on eggshells and start demanding that our rights are not abridged using random events as an excuse.

 

[Rustyt1953]

From the Urban Dictionary:

"Fudd: Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt."

From Wiktionary:

"Fudd: A gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles."

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

I just took a look. No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it in legitimate news media or when there is a specific court or agency FOIA document I can research for myself.

Anyone can post anything online; that doesn't make all things online verifiable, just as Thomas Jefferson warned us.

Actually it was Abraham Lincoln.....

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

From the Urban Dictionary:

"Fudd: Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt."

From Wiktionary:

"Fudd: A gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles."

Actually I like dockmurgw's definition better

 

[Ματθιας]

The video is a guy's view of 6 minutes in a process that was clearly part of a more complex situation involving California laws and a specific type of weapon. From the video maker's lips was his knowledge that some folks with AR pistols got them taken and some didn't, along with with discussion of stripped lowers. Not gun confiscation. I'd be interested in seeing the court documents or agency reports.

Thank you - I knew there had to be more information than the baited video.

"Kirschenmann is out on $150,000 bail, accused of 12 felonies for possessing assault rifles, silencers and a multi-burst trigger activator."

BTW, The video and the article shows, two different sources, show the government IS, in deed, going out and confiscating registered firearms from citizens. If that's NOT confiscation, then what is it?

 

[rockquarry]

There's nothing wrong or illegal with showing the government that the citizenry has some bite.

Absolutely nothing happened at those protests and open carry in that state is 100% legal.

I'm not sure why you'd think that was bad? Did the mainstream media push you into that thought?

It may have been perfectly legal but was done in poor taste. A bunch of camouflaged make believe gunfighters and imaginary front yard warriors presented a poor image of gun owners in general. These folks used no discretion. They made an appearance for themselves and no one else. Their purpose was obviously intimidation. The Second Amendment took a beackseat to their goofiness. There's really nothing arguable here.

 

[biku324]

Someone possessing a weapon they already know is legally problematic trying to make it okay by online registration doesn't get me exercised, particularly when he knew others had similar weapons illegal under state law seized as contraband. No, it's not an example of a registered legal firearm being 'confiscated.'

Pushing legal limits can have consequences.