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Apparently it's an amalgamation of Group 4 Security and Securicor Security. Both of which were European Security companies
SnidelyWhiplash
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WhenI was a LEO and firearms instructor I encouraged officers to carry handcuffs off-duty if armed otherwise. It was not a requirement but a suggestion.
Depending on the laws of the jurisdiction...if you're a law officer you're required to act under the law if a felony occurs in your presence...to the best of your ability. Not a misdemeanor but a felony. If you fail to act one can be potentially be charged with an act of omission. It also applies to medical professionals if some occurs where medical attention is immediately required before EMS can arrive.
With a LEO...if you're unarmed and a felony occurs in your presence that can mean simply call 9-1-1 or be a good witness.
If a civilian...you're not obligated under the law to do anything unless you fall into such professional categories under the appropriate circumstance.
Depending on the laws of the jurisdiction...if you're a law officer you're required to act under the law if a felony occurs in your presence...to the best of your ability. Not a misdemeanor but a felony. If you fail to act one can be potentially be charged with an act of omission. It also applies to medical professionals if some occurs where medical attention is immediately required before EMS can arrive.
With a LEO...if you're unarmed and a felony occurs in your presence that can mean simply call 9-1-1 or be a good witness.
If a civilian...you're not obligated under the law to do anything unless you fall into such professional categories under the appropriate circumstance.
You could not be more incorrect. It is well settled law that no LEO, even on duty, is required to protect any member of the community, regardless of the crime . . .
gwpercle
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I would not carry hand cuffs ...
You must get very very close to put cuffs on someone ...
Trying to cuff someone could lead to them taking control ...
My common sense tells me to keep some distance and keep my weapon ... Let the Police cuff him / her .
Gary
You must get very very close to put cuffs on someone ...
Trying to cuff someone could lead to them taking control ...
My common sense tells me to keep some distance and keep my weapon ... Let the Police cuff him / her .
Gary
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SnidelyWhiplash
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Better tell that to the People's Republic of Marylandstan. We were specifically informed of that. Whether that has changed due to court decisions I cannot say...but we were informed that was the case.
Well, they better tell it to the Supreme Court. Any other uninformed response you have will be duly noted . . .
Police Have No Duty to Protect You, Federal Court Affirms Yet Again | Mises Institute
Police Have No Duty to Protect You, Federal Court Affirms Yet Again | Mises Institute
SnidelyWhiplash
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I don't believe it was the Supreme Court. It was the DC Circuit Court that originally made that ruling. It's possible SCOTUS affirmed it but they didn't originate it.
You’re a retired Fed LEO. Explain to me how the DC Circuit rulings apply to Maryland . . .
SnidelyWhiplash
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I was a sworn officer that under MD law qualified as a LEO. Therefore I was obligated under MD to act as a LEO. I only had to once but it didn’t involve a firearm.
My first wife was a RN and federal employee. She was covered the same…to act in her capacity as a nurse if circumstances required a medical professional.
I retired twenty-four years ago. Court decisions could certainly have changed what I was informed years before. In fact…when at FLETC in legal class the instructors stressed the answer to any question of law was “It depends” as “it depends on what yesterday’s court decision was”.
My first wife was a RN and federal employee. She was covered the same…to act in her capacity as a nurse if circumstances required a medical professional.
I retired twenty-four years ago. Court decisions could certainly have changed what I was informed years before. In fact…when at FLETC in legal class the instructors stressed the answer to any question of law was “It depends” as “it depends on what yesterday’s court decision was”.
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I just have to ask this of Snidely.
Everytime you carry a concealed handgun do you carry a pair of handcuffs?
If so, since you retired 24 years ago, when did you last receive training?
Skills are perishable.
Everytime you carry a concealed handgun do you carry a pair of handcuffs?
If so, since you retired 24 years ago, when did you last receive training?
Skills are perishable.
SnidelyWhiplash
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Since I moved to AZ I’ve taken refresher training but admittedly I haven’t practiced some drills I learned. Most, if not all, public ranges won’t allow such drills for an individual. When I lived in Marylandstan I belonged to a local pistol club and could practice them as long as no one else was on the range.
Do I always carry cuffs? No…not always. I’m certainly not perfect in regard. A lot of my habits have changed. Once I was no longer restricted to a revolver when off-duty I would carry…first a Colt Lightweight Commander .45…then a Colt Defender .45. Now it’s a S&W CSX 9mm. That’s a reflection of my age, health…appreciating lighter weight and less bulk…and the fact that bullet design and performance has improved greatly over the years.
I fully agree…skills are perishable.
Do I always carry cuffs? No…not always. I’m certainly not perfect in regard. A lot of my habits have changed. Once I was no longer restricted to a revolver when off-duty I would carry…first a Colt Lightweight Commander .45…then a Colt Defender .45. Now it’s a S&W CSX 9mm. That’s a reflection of my age, health…appreciating lighter weight and less bulk…and the fact that bullet design and performance has improved greatly over the years.
I fully agree…skills are perishable.
I, like many of you LEOs, had a lot of training regarding the use of restraints. However that was a lifetime ago and I have no desire to implement any restraints, even if legally able to do so, now that I'm no longer active duty. A lot of us have seen what can go bad when you are trying to restrain someone, and I don't wish to add to my accumulated aches and pains.
Duty to care for medical professionals is 180 degrees from duty to the citizenry for LEO’s. I’m sure you knew as a federal LEO that you were not governed by any state statutes. Or maybe you didn’t know. Your anticipated response is duly noted . . .
I already carry enough ****
Pistol
Wallet
Knife
Spare clip
Cell phone
Can of skoal
Ain't got no room for no handcuff nonsense
Pistol
Wallet
Knife
Spare clip
Cell phone
Can of skoal
Ain't got no room for no handcuff nonsense
1981. Supreme Court of the United States of America.
Do the Police Have an Obligation to Protect You?
Do the Police Have an Obligation to Protect You?
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Handcuffs? We ain’t got no stinking handcuffs!
Best left to the Po Po. You aren't the police.
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